Confused with emotion and D.E.

[jkim]

my sister is arguing with the husband.. uh.. ok.. there is a thought that Julia is being affected by them arguing, wanting to control the situation, but julia can't control, because julia is an illusion.. and this noticer is also a thought

[JonathanR]

Wow Julia,


Beautiful and vast answers! How amazing.

The only thing I'm gong to ask about is this:

Or everytime people stare at me, there is this idea of body self intact in mind.. its crazy.

Just so I'm sure of your meaning, are you talking about how an illusion of self seems to appear more strongly at these moments and it's noticed?


Now, I'd like to invite the other guides to take a look at our conversation. Sometimes they come back with some helpful questions, sometimes not. This may take a day or two but anyway I'll let you know their thoughts by posting here.

Love,

Jon

[JonathanR]

Hi Julia,


Well, that was quick! A guide asks:

Without a self, what remains? What is real?

And also, could you give some examples for question 5, please?

Jon.

[jkim]

Cool:]

So Jon, the statement you quoted

Or everytime people stare at me, there is this idea of body self intact in mind

like you said, the dissolving of illusion is noticed..

Without a self, what remains? What is real?

Without a self... everything remains..
what is real? the grace of this very moment is real.. or.. .the aliveness of this moment is real..

example of #5...
hmm.. like.. there comes a statement "let them be..", or "let that be.."
Letting them be, somehow the 'i' reference dissolves.. and as it dissolves, the identity 'I need love - I' is noticed being dissolved.. Or even.. the prideful 'I' that was noticed when Jon replied "Beautiful and amazing answers!", 'letting Jon be', in complimentary expression somehow dissolves a reference of a flattered Julia.. IDK how exactly it works..
Or even when staring at a couch, any object, let that couch be, and there is no longer a Julia that sees the couch... its just a couch..

After posting my replies, I realized, I was very conscious of the readers.. And this mind kept going back to what i wrote or should've written, etc.. and then.. it got tiring.. so I said, 'let them(readers)be' if they wanna judge, a judgement wil be made, and a judgED Julia will be seen.. the dissolving Julia. Julia no longer has to exist to manipulate/control judgements of others..

Did that make sense???

love, Julia

[jkim]

Oh,
wasnt sure if you were asking to clarify #5 or give examples..

5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

deciding I is a thought, an illusion. thinking that 'i' create is also a thought.. its just... grace.. idk how else to explain it..
its all just.. whats happened.. it is what it is.. But a thought of thinking an idea and doing something happens... :]

[JonathanR]

HI Julia,

I am delighted to tell you that the guides all agree that you are through the gateless gate! Thank you for giving some extra examples for question 5, by the way. Congratulations! Of course you do not need us to tell you what is seen already but now some noce things happen. I will send you a Private Message. Look out for that in your message inbox.

Our guiding conversation here is over, though it's really a begining for you. It has been a great pleasure to guide you and to see how things have flowered. Thank you.

As i say, I'll message you anyway with further details.

Love,

Jon