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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby olscrach » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:23 pm

To clarify your statement: In direct experience can you extract your senses? Can you draw a line between the senses?
Or is seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and touching just an indefinable happening?
No cannot extract my senses, senses are just sensing, sight is seeing, hearing is hearing etc. Cannot draw a line between senses. Seeing smelling tasting and touching are just happening.
Can you nail down any position in direct experience? How does a position look like? Where would it be stored? Do you have a proof for any position?
A position would be a thought. A position doesn't look like anything, it is a thought. It wouldn't be stored anywhere. No thoughts are not proof, though they do occur.
How would limitations of the senses look like? Where are the boundaries of such limitations? Do you have any proof that senses are limited or is there a story attached to your assumption?
The limitations are assumptions. I can look into a microscope and see other things, but to associate those other things with a "limitation" would require thought.

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby JimmyG » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:30 pm

That’s clarity. I just want to explore one more topic before I will present our summing-up questions to you. Okay?

How do choices unfold in ‘everyday life’? Can you describe a decision-making event in real time?
Give me two examples of any apparent decision-making events.
Do thoughts comment on what happens? When, in relation to the event, does the commentary come up?

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby olscrach » Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:18 pm

That’s clarity. I just want to explore one more topic before I will present our summing-up questions to you. Okay?

How do choices unfold in ‘everyday life’? Can you describe a decision-making event in real time?
Give me two examples of any apparent decision-making events.
Do thoughts comment on what happens? When, in relation to the event, does the commentary come up?
I feel like the most important aspect of no self is that there are no choices. That is when the guilt, regret and resentment fell away for me. I cannot describe a describe a decision making event or give an example because they do not exist. Thoughts do comment on what happens, but it is merely a way to articulate the happening after the event. The thought has no influence on any action.

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby JimmyG » Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:51 pm

Her are some standard questions that are posed to everyone at this stage. Some of them will look familiar. Please answer them nevertheless. The other guides can read your responses and then they will let me know if they have any further questions to ask you.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby olscrach » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:59 pm

Very busy today, I want to spend a little time on this. I will likely get back to you tomorrow.

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby JimmyG » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:50 pm

That's fine with me.

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby olscrach » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:18 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, not now and never has been a self, I or me.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self is that there is an orchestrator inside us some where, that is receiving data and processing it into actions. It starts early in life when we see and feel our own body, and see and feel other peoples bodies. The sense of self is then perpetuated through our language with words like "me" and "I". Personally I have always talked to my"self" as if there were another party present that may affect my actions if I persuaded them the right way. Of course a good look reveals that neither the persuader nor the one being persuaded are present. Both parties are simply thoughts that feed off of each other.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
I will admit I found some of this dialog challenging. I think putting selflessness into words is tough sometimes. I was more uncertain before we started. I was doing more "flip flopping" I had also recognized the absence of a decider before we started, but did not realize the absence of an experiencer until it was pointed out.

Sometimes I have felt relieved, sometimes I have felt like a lot of the big tragedies in my life were just silly. There has been a change in perspective. But life does goes on as usual and feelings still happen.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
I have been making a habit of driving without the radio on lately. Just trying to be clear and aware. At some point while doing this I realized I wasn't deciding to turn the wheel, wasn't deciding to hit the brakes, wasn't deciding to speed up. That was when I started looking. I was led to this site.Then through our work here I realized, with confidence, I wasn't deciding to do anything at all, and that I never had.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
All of the above are thoughts, nothing more. And all of those words can be condensed into just "descision." This action vs that action. Actions happen one way or the other. No entity can make an action happen a certain way. No one knows what makes things happen or how it works. Things just manifest, and life, including our own, is just a manifestation.

I'm responsible for nothing. Without a doer or a decision maker there can be no responsibility.
6) Anything to add?
Just that this has been a positive experience and I applaud everyone who has contributed to making this site a reality. And sorry to Rolly if I was being difficult at times.

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby JimmyG » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:41 pm

Thank you. I will now ask the other guides to read this and see if they have any questions. This may take a while so please be patient.

Warm Regards
Rolly

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby JimmyG » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:24 pm

Hi there

Four other guides have already read our dialogue and found the summing-up questions very clear.
I will send you a private message about what comes next, check your inbox!

It's been a real pleasure to work with you.

Warm wishes
Rolly

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Re: Guides lets do this

Postby olscrach » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:24 pm

It's been a real pleasure to work with you.
Pleasure is all mine, Well done on your part


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