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boundary between "yourself" and "the rest of the world".

there is the feeling of going about daily things that no matter what happens whether good for this persona or negative that it is just lifeing so no longer expectations or disappointment running through thoughts , and the knowing that any of the above feeling could and will revoke a reaction, however the feeling that they will quickly be seen through, there is still the thoughts of reactions to events unfolding , but quickly a recognising that they are only stories mirrored by the history of this persona genetics and conditioning, there has not been any radical shift as described in some awakenings and no disappointment or chasing after anything like explained by others persons awakenings, just a feeling that everything is as it should and only could be as far a boundary no feeling of a boundary just what is explained above

love
Pat

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'morning Pat.
Is there an experiencer experiencing the experienced ? (answer from experiencing please)

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vince

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Is there an experiencer experiencing the experienced ? (answer from experiencing please)boundary between "yourself" and "the rest of the world"

as before however when doing things such and communicating with friends or shopping seeing people and their actions and reactions is the awareness of how everyone is is in like a dream state not seeing what is actually experience, it is not that there is a feeling of separateness more like really seeing people, trying to answer the question the mind comes in and tries to make sense of what is the the experiencing and there is the intellectual understanding that this is not what you are trying to invoke from me

have a great day
Vince
love Patrick

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reading the question again form the position of experiencing all that is happening is experiencing, there is a feeling of of experiencing as always has been and now a feeling that it is just experiencing happening with no one initiating anything even when the ego comes and claims it it is seen that experiencing happens before any thought of experiencing, answered the question last night and did not really take in what you were asking re-reading it today it seen from this light

love Pat

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Hi Vince I have been killing myself laughing to a point where my kitchen staff reckon I have lost it listening to some of Jed McKenna's Spiritual enlightenment utube transcripts very amusing and striking home with a crispness on the pointers you have been coaxing me with
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Pat

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Is there an experiencer experiencing the experienced

At the moment busy applying for a home loan, thoughts arise about costs and stories of can i afford,then the ha ha ! there is no story just the experience buying and illusory home for a illusory I ha ha !!

[vinceschubert]

there is no story just the experience buying and illusory home for a illusory I ha ha !!

Ah Pat. This is a good one to look at.
Does experiencing consist of more than sensations ?
Would this experiencing include the experiencing of thoughts labelled intentions, planning etc. ?
Although the projections and imaginings are certainly story. Are they useful stories ?
Is any of this illusory ?

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vince

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Does experiencing consist of more than sensations

Yes

Would this experiencing include the experiencing of thoughts labelled intentions, planning etc. ?

yes some are real experiences others are just thought stream

Is any of this illusory ?

it is real experience now what not real is the some of the thought stories concerning and the imagined thought that there really is someone doing this except it just happening a lifeing in other words the illusory aspect is the identification a a me doing and planning it

hmm!! there is the thought is this real seeing or the I manipulating then again not realising
it is easy to see when listening to the talks from LU when someone does not get what is being pointed out and thinking don't you see it and then doing the exact same when you feed me questions

have a great day Vince

love Pat

[vinceschubert]

Hi Pat,

Does experiencing consist of more than sensations
Yes

Say more.
No theory. Speak from experiencing. Speak about the noticing of experiencing as well.

love

vince

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experiencing. Speak about the noticing of experiencing as well.

working and relaxing at home is happening every so often thoughts arise of me and the experience that before the thought of me arose there is just experiencing no doer experiencing happening,the thoughts flow through the mind there is no I, all there is is the body with no one controlling anything just action and reaction to thoughts without a me doing it, and when the I tries to take responsibility for experiences it is seen that it happens after that fact on the experience

still a feeling of frustration of still seeking knowing that all there is is experiencing
love
Pat

[vinceschubert]

Hi Pat

still a feeling of frustration of still seeking knowing that all there is is experiencing

say more on this.
Describe the sensations involved with the frustration and when they are present.
What are you're expectations of seeking ? Do you expect to find something other than THIS ?

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vince

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sensations involved with the frustration and when they are present.

a feeling of irritation at me for expecting instead of letting everything just be

What are you're expectations of seeking

event though there is the knowledge that expectations will only keep propping up the self there are thoughts that arise which say yes I understand and realise that there is no self and that the thought of I that arises in day today things is just that a thought in the mind stream, there rises a frustration and that even though no separate self is understood ,has this persona truly realised this as there is still the feeling of separateness and not the the feeling and no feeling and knowing that everything is one, the expectation is the waking to the feeling of oneness not through intellect but though genuine experiening

Do you expect to find something other than THIS

no there is the realisation that there is not anything to gain especially as there is no one to gain anything

the whole belief system from following the buddhist path on reincarnation and purification is in tatters and with no self there is no one to do these and even the essence of all being one consciousness there is only one so the only thing that would do anything is the consciousness no separate me that will last of transmigrate, there just this now and no me that would continue once this body ceases, I look at the tankas and buddhist practice trinkets and they no longer have any value, there is however a gratitude to then being a footpath to this I being fortunate to be open to getting to this point where the I is being seen for what it is zero zulch.......there is not a fear anymore of death more a kind of sadness that there is no carrying on and comfort of the so called life of this I, there is also a feeling of gratitude for each day af still being and experiencing no longer that trying to plan for the future and trying make things right whenever the thought comes up to make things right very quickly there is the ah!! everything is as it could only be

good night Vince till next time

love Pat

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what has been coming up today is the looking what is true and seeing that all thoughts a just coming and going looking what is the essence of this being and only seeing that there is consciousness that is there as without consciousness this body would not be able to function correctly, the feeling that I am consciousness is there and the trust in what the ones that have truly seen point out that consciousness is not individual but just one consciousness looking at this it is seen that if there is any continuation of this consciousness it is as the one so this Persona will cease to exist once this body dies and only a residue of this consciousness will continue which is the collective consciousness so really no continuation there is no fear at seeing this just a feeling of well live what is left of this life fully as if each day is the last

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Pat

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Good morning Pat,

that consciousness is not individual but just one consciousness

Hmm, this has to be a logical deduction Pat. Although i am open to the possibility that it is actual experiencing that is happening there.
Now i'm not saying that it's wrong (or right). i am just saying that it's not verifiable unless you experience it, and as all experiencing is interpretation (and impermanent) then credibility is questionable.
When you talk of a thing called consciousness, and say that that is what you are, then this identification is no different than saying that you identify with a Self. Neither exist as a separate entity.

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vince

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Hmm, this has to be a logical deduction Pat. Although i am open to the possibility that it is actual experiencing that is happening there

YEA! I agree not sure if this is actual experiencing or just mind deduction very aware how the ego can quickly claim responsibility for it

consciousness, and say that that is what you are, then this identification is no different than saying that you identify with a Self. Neither exist as a separate entity.

and also claim awakening
he he! dammed ego yep it is this ego that searching for awakening on its terms, get the feeling when it gets close a lot of fear and doubt will arise

listened to Steven Norquist Speaks at the 2010 SIG and this seemed to bring up a uncomfortable feeling as his talk is pretty much opposite to Ariashanti yet similar he comes from a seemingly negative space not sure if it is me seeing it that way though and wondering if this is diverging too much from the guidance from you ?

have great sunday evening Vince
love Pat