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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Thu Sep 25, 2025 5:27 pm

How does it FEEL to see this?
It feels light and free. Simple. Like a weight lifted off or a tie cut. Everything is a thought.

Then comes in a fear: but without "me" I won't go to work in the morning. I will just sleep whenever I want. My life will crumble around me. I need the "me" to hold everything together.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Sep 25, 2025 7:21 pm

There has never ever been a "you!"

Why would it be any different?

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Thu Sep 25, 2025 7:58 pm

There has never ever been a "you!"

Why would it be any different?
Yes, I realized after I wrote that that it was just another thought. Just like all the other thoughts. Another story about "my" life.

If I can't control my thoughts, I literally can't control anything. Nothing at all.

Still a strong sense of "me" though, running the show. Going to keep looking.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Sep 25, 2025 10:07 pm

Still a strong sense of "me" though, running the show. Going to keep looking.
Prove that you are "running the show. " Exactly how is that done? Does it work 100% ofv the time?


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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Sat Oct 04, 2025 2:57 am

Hi Stacey,

Just checking in. Not much has changed. Still closing my eyes and feeling for the borders between things.

My dad had a stroke on Tuesday and I flew to Texas for a few days. I'm back home now. He is paralyzed on the left side but there are early signs that he may regain some amount of that mobility back. His mental functioning was not affected.

This has created a big platonic shift in the story of "me" that I have always carried around—"my" history, "my" life. It's easy to see that the story of me has always just been made of air. It has never been real.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Sat Oct 04, 2025 2:58 am

Haha sorry, Stacy, it's been so long since I've written that I wrote your name wrong. I have a close friend who puts an 'e' in her name so my brain just autopiloted to that.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Oct 04, 2025 8:56 am

Good morning

I hope your Dad is healing well. Where in Texas? I'm from Fort Worth.

Vince posted a great article that might help.

https://vinceschubert.substack.com/p/wh ... ven-when-i
It's easy to see that the story of me has always just been made of air. It has never been real.
How does it FEEL to see this?

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Sun Oct 05, 2025 5:25 pm

That is a great article. I am questioning whether I have actually SEEN that there is no self or if I am just intellectualizing it. Nothing much feels like it has changed. Although I have a sense that's hard to explain that things are shifting in the background. Maybe it's the slow adaptation that he's talking about. Just a little less of a pull toward this story in this moment. Or a slight softening in this moment. I'm really not sure.
How does it FEEL to see this?
This seeing is a bit unsettling. The story of who I always thought I was has suddenly shifted like sand and it's easy to see that none of it is real. It's stories built on stories. I also see that I am immediately trying to make a new story. Trying to grasp onto a new identity that incorporates the shift. I see this all happening.

When I was in Texas (dad is in San Antonio, but his house is in Kerrville), I rented a car and drove to my dad's house, which used to be my grandparents house. I have a lot of old stuff of mine stored there. I went to the attic where all of my old mementos are stored and I was looking through them trying to find certain things that I remember from my adolescence. But as I did this, I noticed that I actually didn't care that much. It felt like I was just going through the motions of what a previous version of myself wanted. I took some stuff, but I could have left all of it. My actions felt like wheels still turning but without a motor.

I do still feel like I'm in love with my thinker. And that the more that I struggle, the more tied up I get in it. It feels like a tricky balance between effort and non-effort.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Oct 05, 2025 5:54 pm

Got it

Never struggle. Minute you find yourself struggling either relax or stop.

You absolutely must be relaxed to see.

Yes it can be unsettling but only while we're attached to old stories that are not true.

The detachment you're reporting is excellent.

I cannot say whether you are seeing or not.

You never replied to this:

Prove that you are "running the show. " Exactly how is that done? Does it work 100% ofv the time?

Many people confuse awareness with a self. It is not.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Oct 05, 2025 5:57 pm

Do keep going to the groups when you can. It helps to be with others who are seeing and who are looking.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Sun Oct 05, 2025 6:56 pm

Prove that you are "running the show. " Exactly how is that done? Does it work 100% ofv the time?
I'm not running the show. I know this. I can SEE it in certain situations. But the felt sense that I am persists, and it is strong.

I dread my workouts. I am supposed to do them 3x per week and I always procrastinate and wait until the last minute. I am doing that right now. In my head I am trying to will myself to get out of this chair and go into the gym which is only a few feet away. I can't see to do this. There's a pit in my stomach that feels like guilt. A sinking feeling. I feel heavy. Thoughts are anxious and insistent—'You have to do this! Do it now and get it over with. Once you do it, you will feel better about yourself and next time will be easier. It will set a good tone for your entire day.'

Who are the thoughts talking to? How can my thoughts be talking to me? As far as I know, there aren't two of me. So who am I talking to?

Other thoughts say—'But I have a little headache and I should take some ibuprofen and wait for it to go away before I do the workout. What if I did it later today, like this afternoon? I have so much other stuff I need to do today, I can do that now and the workout later. It all needs to get done, so does the order really matter?'

And then the other side makes it retort. And then back again. And back and forth. If I could choose to not be having this conversation inside my head, I would. But I can't.

And whether I end up getting out of this chair and going into the gym and doing a workout will depend on one moment: when I get out of the chair and walk to the gym. And in the moment of doing that, I honestly cannot find a moment in which I make a decision. I just do it. Or I don't.

It's like a buildup of this argument in my head finally tips in one direction or the other. Or it doesn't and it just keeps on going on incessantly forever but I never get up to go into the gym.

Is it the argument that gives the impression of making a decision? The mind weighing the options and debating endlessly? The moment of doing or not doing is one tiny moment. And that moment is just decided by an infinity of things that I have no control over.

So what part of the show am I running? None of it. It just feels like I am. I feel like I am making a decision to sit here and write to you instead of doing my workout in the gym. But really it's just a combination of how much sleep I got last night, the level of hormones in my body, the events of the past week, the events of the past year, that the sun is shining, that the cat is on my lap, that I'm here in the house alone for the first time in forever, that it's quiet, that the computer is here, that I have a slight headache, that it's Sunday, that it's 10:39am, that I'm planning to join Vince's call later today (planning lol), and a bazillion other things. There's no room for free will. It just FEELS that way. I FEEL like a ME. I operate from the place of a tiny me sitting inside my body operating the machinery. I don't know any other way to operate.

'I don't know' is a story.

I can see that I do not choose my thoughts. Any of them. Even a thought that is trying to change other thoughts is a thought that I didn't choose. Thoughts play incessantly in my head. I have a thought that I'd like the thoughts to stop. They don't. All of that is out of my control although I grasp onto it as if it were. I try to direct my thoughts this way or that. I also try to not engage with my thoughts, which I can't seem to do either. Any amount of trying to change anything in my head just ends in frustration. It feels like a web that I am getting more and more caught in. I don't know how to not react and just watch. That feels like effort, an attempt to change, that just results in more frustration.

Sometimes I can approach it with curiosity. That works better. But there seem to be walls, dark spaces that I can't penetrate with seeing. The mind distracts me—it literally says "there's nothing there" or "that's a dead end" or "let's do that later". I make up a story that the mind doesn't want me there. I make up a story that I should try to look there. I don't know how to look without being directed by thoughts.

'I don't know how' is a story.

Back to running the show: I can see that my body moves on its own. My heart beats, my body breathes, all of the biological processes, they happen on their own. I don't decide to do them. I don't decide to go into a story and act it out over and over again. I don't decide to be in suffering—although I can sometimes see that I "decide" to create drama and that I like it. It gives me something. But even that decision is more like a magnet that either tips toward or tips away.

I cannot prove that I am running the show. It's just that I've always operated from that place.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Oct 05, 2025 7:43 pm

There's a pit in my stomach that feels like guilt. A sinking feeling. I feel heavy.
And what have you learned that that means?

This thing you're calling a feeling of self is nothing but the lie feeling plus a story.

Look at it. Can you see that?

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Oct 08, 2025 3:44 pm

In addition to the questions above...

Here is something to watch, particularly at about 57 minutes.

https://youtu.be/517Rggo0qtE?si=xFmpfKqLTFsGs2pB

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"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Firen » Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:00 am

And what have you learned that that means?
Heavy feeling means lie.
Look at it. Can you see that?
Kind of? I see it in the way that I've been seeing it the whole time. Nothing feels like it has changed much.

I don't really know if I'm looking correctly. What does it mean to LOOK?

I will watch the video tomorrow.

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Re: Requesting a guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Oct 14, 2025 10:30 am

What does it mean to LOOK?

I will watch the video tomorrow.
LOOK with your eyes. The simple obvious meaning!

https://youtu.be/wyNwhK2Ur1c?si=TZwuFEst-7Hsadpu

Until tomorrow

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~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti


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