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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby Ilona » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:44 am

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who is next for a chat?

Postby Ilona » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:44 am

Nothinker, how is it going?
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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby nothinker » Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:08 pm

Hey, sorry for disappearing. I'm pretty sure that I see it now, but I'd really appreciate you confirming it.

The reason I am uncertain is that -- get this -- I can't pinpoint exactly when I saw it. I had read LOADS of material by Ciaran and you guys that I pretty much know the right answer to almost every question, and sometimes that makes me question whether I really have seen the reality of this, or am I just believing that I have. It's frustrating not knowing when the pattern recognition took place, if it really did take place at all.

So I have been doing a lot of double-checking and testing to see the result of the liberation.

I would sit down and ask myself to locate the experiencer, and all that I could find would be experiences. The same happens when I try to look for a thinker or observer.

The controller, however, is tricky. I could not find any controller, but I also couldn't find any controlling either. It's really strange. I would be staring at my hand to see the relationship between the intention to raise a finger and the actual finger being raised, but I haven't been able to figure out how this works at all, only that they seemed to happen in the same instant.

As for testing the result of liberation, I find I am able to withstand situations that I would previously resist. That's not to say that I have become fearless -- far from it -- the hesitation to do things that might embarrass myself is very much there, it's just that when it actually happens I'm not suffering as much, and as a result I am able to open myself up just a little bit more when I would have normally remained in the comfort zone.

I really want a way to confirm for certain, hundred percent certain, that I am free. I know it's all about looking, and I can tell you that I haven't found anything in real life that could be said to be me. But oh my god I am still living as if there is a me and I have no idea how to confront my family and friends with this thing -- they'll think I have adopted some crazy-ass belief. And I'm usually regarded as soft in the head as it is. *sighs*
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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby Ilona » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:08 am

Hi Nothinker, great to see that you are back. no one else can confirm for you that you are free. there is certainty or there isn't. ask yourself, why do you need an external confirmation.

here are some questions for you to answer.

1 what is the self, how does it work? was there ever an entity behind words i/ me/ self?
2. what is real?
3. how does it feel to be free?
4. how would you introduce this to somebody, who have never heard about no self before?

give us a rant...
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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby nothinker » Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:58 pm

what is the self, how does it work? was there ever an entity behind words i/ me/ self?
Regardless of the varying characteristics we attach to each individual person, there are certain basic ideas that people everywhere identify as the innate roles of the self.

It is that there is an individual who experiences things, who thinks thoughts, who lives life. The idea stems from the belief that there is a person behind each life, a central conscious unit that freely decides to be one thing or another, which is a very convincing idea, except for the fact that it is a lie.

It is a lie because when you actually look for the experiencer and really try to find the actual thing the word is pointing to, you can't find it, not in any shape or form. All that can be found are experiences. The same happens when you look for something the word thinker is pointing to -- all you find are thoughts. The content of the thought may say that its existence is the product of a thinker who have just thought, but upon closer look there is only the thought -- no thinker anywhere.
what is real?
What is real is what is. The table is. The computer is. This writing is. These words point to something that is, that can be observed, in real life. To me that constitutes reality.
how does it feel to be free?
Well I am much more resilient to emotional suffering and damaging thought content and such things than I ever was, but still, the freedom comes with quite a burden, to be honest. It's not nearly as light as I thought it would feel, probably because I am not sure how to break away from the roles I have always played. That and the fact that I haven't successfully got anyone around me to consider this.
how would you introduce this to somebody, who have never heard about no self before?
You probably have heard about spiritual enlightenment, right? The deal is that there's a few dudes who are awakened, and they have been telling us for centuries that most of humanity is living their lives under the spell of Maya -- that we are living a lie that blinds us from the obvious truth in front of the eyes. There is an assumption we so dearly cherish as the unshakable truth, that just isn't true.

Well, for the past year I have been obsessing over this stuff, reading a lot of materials and practicing various spiritual techniques and going on retreat and stuff like that, chasing one clue after another, trying to get my act together because my head was so filled with conflicting information that I just couldn't go on unless I figure out what is true.

But what kind a lie would it have to be, that billions of people throughout the age would fail to see it after being hinted at by countless spiritual traditions? It would have to be something really unthinkable, right? It would have to be the last thing we would ever question, an assumption we are so certain to be true that very, very few would have the nerve to even consider that it *might* not be true. Yeah?

You wanna know what the lie is? It's you. You are the lie.

You are the hypothesis that does not hold up to direct observation.

Now, if you were like me the first time I heard about this, you're probably like -- whoa, what kind of prank is this guy trying to pull? But wait, look. Look at the actual words that the awakened masters have said:

"You want Enlightenment straight up? YOU don't exist." - Adyashanti

"You are saved by realizing that there is no self to be saved." - Vernon Howard.

“Enlightenment is the recognition that there is no you; that your sense of separation and individuality is an illusion.”

"The mind perceives thoughts. There never was a thinker, just the view that there was one." - Buddha

Does this spark your curiosity at all? Well, thankfully, there is an internet community devoted to help people see the truth of this in real life. All you need is honesty, and the willingness to look, and you can see the truth of this TODAY. To see the lie is to kill it, and I gotta tell you, this is one big ass lie that you wouldn't want to miss. Look, I'm really not the best guy to walk you through this. Sign up at liberationunleashed.com and there you will find people who are trained to help you see this. So trust me, spare an hour, do this, and life will never be the same.
"The mind perceives thoughts. There never was a thinker, just the view that there was one." - Buddha

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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby Ilona » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:23 pm

Wow, nothinker, you made it through!!! i'm delighted for you. so much appreciation here.
what was that last push, last realization, that actually made you look?

BIG SMILE here....
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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby nothinker » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:13 pm

Haha, I'm glad too. Thank you so, so much for your help Ilona.

I don't even know what the last push was -- probably had something to do with Ciaran screaming at me about how I'm an unbelievably fucking obtuse, arrogant, deluded fucking poser. The truth is that I have looked at it so many times I have lost count, but I was so unsure of what I was seeing and whether I have really seen the truth. Could it be this simple? A part of me had always protested that it couldn't be true. But thanks to you, now I don't have to second-guess myself anymore. Again, I couldn't thank you enough.

So, can you make my account blue so I can join in on this liberating business? :D
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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby nothinker » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:33 pm

Also, if you don't mind me asking -- how do you feel to be free? Any tips on integrating this no-self thing in daily life?
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Re: who is next for a chat?

Postby Ilona » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:06 pm

hey nothinker :) you have been blued. please join facebook group Unleashed.http://www.facebook.com/groups/20003377 ... tif_t=like

what it feels like for me?
life goes on as it does, sometimes high, sometimes low, everything is more intense and it's soooo much fun to be alive. last year has been most amazing year. ever. LOTS to explore and discover. aaaaaaaaaa...
i'd say that biggest difference i see is that where life was a struggle before, now it's just gliding. things happen, all is falling into place, it really is one epic ride.

you will find a new section opened here, there are some tips there, but the main action is on facebook.
looking forward to see you there!
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