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Lubo
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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:15 am

Hi Gerd,
Thanks for the replay.
Experience of gras, bird, body are different things but where it is experienced is the same.§
The gras and the experience of gras are in different places, is it true?
The gras is word that point to what? To gras or to experience labeled gras?
Are there gras and experience of gras?

Let's look this three statements:
Does the experience of colour born?
No, the experience of colour was there before
.
How old experience of life is?
The experience of life is as old as the experienced body.
Is there an experience of past life or future life?
The experienced body doesn’t have an experience of past or future life.
Can the experience of past experience be found now in this very moment?
What experience of past experience looks like?
With what senses past experience is experienced?

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lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:05 pm

Hi Lubo,
The gras and the experience of gras are in different places, is it true?
I understand that you are pointing to gras and experience of gras at the same place. But when I look over there is something with the label gras and here is the experience of gras. If there is only the experience of gras how is this experience created. There must be something which creates the experience of gras.
The gras is word that point to what? To gras or to experience labeled gras?
Ok., I understand. Gras points to the experience labeled gras.
Are there gras and experience of gras?
There is experience of gras. But there must be something that creates the experience of gras.
Can the experience of past experience be found now in this very moment?
No, past experience cannot be found.
What experience of past experience looks like?
Experience of past experience does not exist.
With what senses past experience is experienced?
Past experience cannot be experienced.

Thank You,
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:39 am

Hi Gerd,
I understand that you are pointing to gras and experience of gras at the same place. But when I look over there is something with the label gras and here is the experience of gras. If there is only the experience of gras how is this experience created. There must be something which creates the experience of gras.
There is only This.
The illusion is that there is a me + looking + grass =3
here + looking + over there =3
But this is a thought.
Notice:
1.Me - can it be found with one of the 5 senses?
The information of this "me" is coming only like thoughts stories
2.Looking - this word point to experience of colour. Can it be found looking without a colour?
Looking = colour = experience of colour, or no?
3.Gras - is there a me who is separate from grass?
Is there action labeled looking at grass?
What then the word gras point to?

love
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:21 pm

Hi Lubo,
1.Me - can it be found with one of the 5 senses?
No, the me cannot be found with the 5 senses. But there is still the experienced body.
2.Looking - this word point to experience of colour. Can it be found looking without a colour?
Looking = colour = experience of colour, or no?
Ok., this is clear. Looking is experience of colour.
3.Gras - is there a me who is separate from grass?
This is difficult. So what you mean is that there is experience of colour of gras which thought ‘makes’ into gras? So gras is a thought.
Is there action labeled looking at grass?
I don’t know if I understand the question correctly. I can look at gras or I can look at a tree. I don’t think there is action for looking needed.
What then the word gras point to?
As I was writing before, gras is a thought….. every thing is a thought. Wow… very dangerous!

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:34 am

Hi Gerd,
1.Me - can it be found with one of the 5 senses?
No, the me cannot be found with the 5 senses. But there is still the experienced body
.
Does the body know that it has been experienced?
Where the looking is happened? In the body? Where in the body? In the eyes? Can the eyes experience colour?

Let's summaries:
I look at the grass - there are 3 things in the sentence. But are there 3 things in reality?
I - there is no I
looking at the gras - but there is nobody who is looking
so there is gras only.
What is gras?
Colour, experience of a colour=knowing colour , Named gras.
Look - is a word that point to to something. Look= what colours are being experienced at the moment? What colours are there at the moment? There is no one who make looking, this is just the way, how the language work.
So, I look at the gras - is the way of language that point to What experience of colour look like in this very moment.

Look around. Notice all different colours. OK?
All these colours are labeled from thoughts, like a label machine.
All colours are different, but are they separate from the (one) experience of colour?
The thoughts coming and make separation this is a gras, this is a body - but notice, all this is what IS, one reality. What is here is here effortlessly?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:26 pm

Hi Lubo,
Does the body know that it has been experienced?
No, the body doesn’t know that it was experienced.
Where the looking is happened? In the body? Where in the body? In the eyes? Can the eyes experience colour?
It cannot be said where looking happened. So there is just looking.
Colour, experience of a colour=knowing colour , Named gras.
Ok., I understand that.
All colours are different, but are they separate from the (one) experience of colour?
The colours are not separate from the one experience of colour.
What is here is here effortlessly?
I often think it is effort needed to do things. When we talk about nature I think you are right.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:52 am

Hi Gerd,
You are close to the Gate.

Notice that the whole life is happening by itself.
Notice when life is happening?
Notice that life is experience of colour
- sounds
- feelings
- smells
- tests
- experience of thoughts also
Notice also, that these 6 experiences are happening by itself, effortlessly?
Notice that there is nobody who can stop one of this experiences?
And the big one:
Notice that the experience of thoughts (which is happening by itself) bring a story about Santa, who lives this life. Who is watching, breathing, thinking...BUT this is just an experience of thoughts, happening by itself.
Find that this I is just a story?
Is there an I, story, past and future in life happening?
Just look!!!?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 pm

Hi Lubo,
You are close to the Gate.
This helps to keep up the motivation. Thank You.
Notice when life is happening?
Life is always happening now.
Notice that life is experience of colour...
So all there is is experience of colour…
Is there an I, story, past and future in life happening?
I, story, past and future are thoughts and fictional.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:30 am

Hi Gerd,
You are close to the Gate.
This helps to keep up the motivation. Thank You.
Notice that this is a story, also?
Is there someone in reality that is sеeking something?
Where the story is coming from?

Is there an I, story, past and future in life happening?
I, story, past and future are thoughts and fictional.
So, what is here? What reality looks like?

Love
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:01 pm

Hi Lubo,
Notice that this is a story, also?
Ok., so Gate is a story also. All there is is what is.
Is there someone in reality that is sеeking something?
No, there is no one. So seeking is a thought.
Where the story is coming from?
The story is coming from thought.
So, what is here? What reality looks like?
All here is is experience of colour, sound…. Reality is experience.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:10 pm

Hi Gerd,
Nice. That's it. :)

What is coming reading this?
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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:16 pm

Hi Lubo,
What is coming reading this?
Ooh, it’s the end, what a surprise or is it the beginning! No big bang! So at the moment I have the feeling to live in two worlds: my used daily world and the ‘new’ world I tried to understand/see in the last months. And there are more and more connections happening. For example, when I am getting stressed in my daily life sometimes comes the remebrance that everything happens as it happens. There is no you who has any influence.
Or sometimes I just sit and look....

Lubo, I thank You very much for Your guiding and for Your endless patience!! I wish You well!

Love, Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:09 am

Hi Gerd,
Ha, it is beginning yes :)
No big bang! So at the moment I have the feeling to live in two worlds: my used daily world and the ‘new’ world I tried to understand/see in the last months. And there are more and more connections happening. For example, when I am getting stressed in my daily life sometimes comes the remebrance that everything happens as it happens. There is no you who has any influence.
Or sometimes I just sit and look....
Sometimes there is big bang, sometimes not.
And yes, just look, just notice what is here. This is it. In one moment there will be no need of this or no :)
everything happens as it happens
Notice that the story never happen. This is the dream.
Let's look at this for a week. Notice the stories that are coming in daily life and find are they real, are they exist?
And write to me, from time to time, how it's goes?

It is pleasure to do this with you.

love
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:37 am

Hi Lubo,
This is it. In one moment there will be no need of this or no :)
This is an interesting realization. I don’t know…. It is something I have to get used to.
Notice the stories that are coming in daily life and find are they real, are they exist?
We are planning a bike-tour with some friends for the next weekend. So there is a lot of talking, thinking, organizing. Everybody has his own story/expectations how this tour will happen. And the tour will happen as it happens. But isn’t this a normal process?

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:34 am

Hi Gerd,
This is it. In one moment there will be no need of this or no :)
This is an interesting realization. I don’t know…. It is something I have to get used to
.
The point here is that the story that Gerd exist and he is responsible for the tour organisation may still appear. And the invitation is to notice that this is just a story arising from thoughts about What is happening.
Everybody has his own story/expectations how this tour will happen. And the tour will happen as it happens. But isn’t this a normal process?
Yes, this is the dream. Reality is that there are colours, sensations, sounds, smells, taste and thoughts.
Is there Gerd responsible for the tour in reality? Or Gerd is just thoughts-story, dream character ? :)

love
lubo


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