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Gerd
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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Sun May 23, 2021 9:48 pm

Hi Lubo,
So, does a body exist or there are experiences of colours and sensations ?
There are experiences of colours and sensations.
Is there an experience of experiencer?
Or Exist-er? :)
No, there is only the experience of colours, sound…There is no experiencer, no exister.
Or there is just existence, just experiences?
There is only the existence of experience.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Mon May 24, 2021 6:45 am

Excellent, Gerd.

What is to find this:
No, there is only the experience of colours, sound…There is no experiencer, no exister.

and this:
There is only the existence of experience.
What is to find that there is no you who exist, who experience life?
What is to find that there is just THIS?

:)
lubo

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Gerd
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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm

Hi Lubo,
What is to find this:
No, there is only the experience of colours, sound…There is no experiencer, no exister.
If you are used to think in the category of subject and object it is confronting that this way of thinking is obviously not related to reality.
and this:
There is only the existence of experience.
When I am looking out of the window there is the gras growing and the birds flying. And now there is no gras, there are no birds there is only the experience of colour. This feels strange.
What is to find that there is no you who exist, who experience life?
It makes sense that there is no ‘you’. But concerning subject/object it is difficult for me to accept that there is not even a body.
What is to find that there is just THIS?
It is pretty clear that future and past is thought and all there is is THIS.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Tue May 25, 2021 6:23 am

Hi Gerd,
If you are used to think in the category of subject and object it is confronting that this way of thinking is obviously not related to reality.
What is related to reality?
What is reality?
When I am looking out of the window there is the gras growing and the birds flying. And now there is no gras, there are no birds there is only the experience of colour. This feels strange.
So, over there is a gras and here , behind the window is me, something like this?
This is thoughts story. Let's check if this is truth, if this is reality.
Where are "you"?
Gras, window, body - where are you, where these things are experienced?
Are there gras + experience of gras + experiencer?
Are there a body+experience of the body+ experiencer?
Where experience is happen? Pin a point.

lubo

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Gerd
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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Tue May 25, 2021 10:43 pm

Hi Lubo,
What is related to reality?
What is reality?
Subject/object is obviously not related to reality. Reality is what is. All there is is the existence of experience. So the only reality is existence of experience and not subject/object.
So, over there is a gras and here , behind the window is me, something like this?
Over there is gras and behind the window is a body.
Where are "you"?
There is no You, there is just a body.
Gras, window, body - where are you, where these things are experienced?
There is no you. Gras, window, body is the experience of colour.
Are there gras + experience of gras + experiencer?
There is only the experience of gras, no experiencer.
Are there a body+experience of the body+ experiencer?
There is the experience of the body and no experiencer.
Where experience is happen? Pin a point.
There is only experience happening. A point cannot be pinned.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Wed May 26, 2021 5:25 am

Wow, Gerd.
Subject/object is obviously not related to reality. Reality is what is. All there is is the existence of experience. So the only reality is existence of experience and not subject/object.
That's it!
What happenеd?
Is there a me, who becomes anger?
or this is the body, or the gras?

Where is Gerd now?
Is there an you who is something? Reality or existence or...?

:)
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Wed May 26, 2021 9:51 pm

Hi Lubo,
Is there a me, who becomes anger?
There is no me. Anger is just happening.
or this is the body, or the gras?
It is just the experience of colour.
Where is Gerd now?
Gerd is a label (thought).
Is there an you who is something? Reality or existence or...?
There is no you.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Thu May 27, 2021 7:38 am

Hi Gerd,

Did the search stop?
What is time?
Who is born?
Is there death?

love,
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Thu May 27, 2021 9:58 pm

Hi Lubo,
Did the search stop?
I cannot tell yet, if the search stopped.
What is time?
Time is a thought.
Who is born?
I don't know who is born. Maybe experience is born.
Is there death?
Yes, there is death.

Thank you
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Fri May 28, 2021 6:51 am

Hi Gerd,
The answers are too short and Im not sure where are you.
Write with your own words what is happened, what is different before starting this dialog and now?
I cannot tell yet, if the search stopped.
Is there something thats smell? Something that is not clear?

Love
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Fri May 28, 2021 10:56 pm

Hi Lubo,
The answers are too short and Im not sure where are you.
Write with your own words what is happened, what is different before starting this dialog and now?
It is clear that there is no you, no Gerd and everything is happening by itself.
The question: 'who is born' brings me to the question what exist. All there exists is experience. So something gets born which didn't exist before. So the conclusion is that experience gets born. But this doesn't make any sense.
There is still the question how can different experiences happen? E.g. experience of colour of gras and colour of bird. If it is not gras and bird which creates different experiences what is it then? If experience would be a thought it would be understandable because thought is just happening.
I cannot tell yet, if the search stopped.
Is there something thats smell? Something that is not clear
?
I am still in a process here so i cannot say if the search will stop. But maybe there is a missunderstanding?

Thank you
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Sat May 29, 2021 6:47 am

Hi Gerd,
Thank you for the replay.
It is clear that there is no you, no Gerd and everything is happening by itself.
Excellent!
So something gets born which didn't exist before.
The story is exactly this, ok. But read your own observation above?
Can something that happens by itself be born?
Who is separate to say "before it did not exist, now it is here"?
And the question Is there death? - Let's make an exercise. Go to the bathroom or other room where there is no window.
Switch the light on. Notice that experience of colour is happening by itself.
Then switch the light off. Notice that the experience of colour does not happen.
Is there a death of experience of a colour? (excluding black)
Switch the light on, again.
Does the experience of colour born?
From who? :)
What about the experience of life? Can experience be born or die?
How old experience of life is?
Is there an experience of past life or future life?
There is still the question how can different experiences happen? E.g. experience of colour of gras and colour of bird.
Ok. Is there a gras in the gras or a bird in the bird? or the gras and the bird are what is experience + label gras, bird...?
I am still in a process here so i cannot say if the search will stop. But maybe there is a missunderstanding?
The question is: Did the seeking soften?? (English in not my native, sorry about this.?

love
lubo

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Sun May 30, 2021 10:52 pm

Hi Lubo,
Can something that happens by itself be born?
No, it cannot. But how can there be experience without someone being born?
Who is separate to say "before it did not exist, now it is here"?
So it is no difference if something/someone doesn’t exist or is here. So what is it then what doesn’t exist or is here?.... Experience?
Does the experience of colour born?
So all there is is experience even for someone who is not born?
From who? :)
Sorry, I don’t get the question.
What about the experience of life? Can experience be born or die?
I can only talk about experience be born. I cannot talk about experience being dead.
How old experience of life is?
I don’t know exactly what experience of life is but experience of life is always now.
Is there an experience of past life or future life?
There is no experience of past and future life.
Ok. Is there a gras in the gras or a bird in the bird? or the gras and the bird are what is experience + label gras, bird...?
Ok., there is only the experience of gras and bird.
The question is: Did the seeking soften??
Sorry, I don’t get the question.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Mon May 31, 2021 6:19 am

Hi Gerd,
Can something that happens by itself be born?
No, it cannot. But how can there be experience without someone being born?
How can there be gifts without Santa be born?
How life can be experienced if there is no me, but reality is that there is just life, just this, just what is.
This is a belief - I am born here in this world and I experience it. I + world=2 things
But the main topic is non-dual, no 2. What these words point to?
And in investigation you found that there is just experience!
and experience happens by itself!
So what is truth - what is seen or what thoughts explains?
Does the experience of colour born?
So all there is is experience even for someone who is not born?
This is imagination.
experience +someone who is not born = 2 things Don't go there.
You found the truth There is just experience, but cannot believe it. Why? Why is so important to keep this ghost gerd ?
What about the experience of life? Can experience be born or die?
I can only talk about experience be born. I cannot talk about experience being dead.
This is a thought. The question is point where to look when you make the exercise. You skip this part with switch on/off the light. Why?
Make it and answer the same questions, plc.

lubo

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Gerd
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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:20 am

Hi Lubo,
How can there be gifts without Santa be born?
Someone who is born is doing the gifts.
But the main topic is non-dual, no 2. What these words point to?
The words point that there is no I. I read your writing but I have no access to it. Experience of gras, bird, body are different things but where it is experienced is the same. So there is the experience and what is experienced (two).
So what is truth - what is seen or what thoughts explains?
What is seen is a wall, a computer, a lamp.
experience +someone who is not born = 2 things Don't go there.
So, experience and born/not born cannot be connected.
You found the truth There is just experience, but cannot believe it. Why? Why is so important to keep this ghost gerd ?
I am not aware that I try to keep this ghost gerd. I just try to answer the questions with the tools I have.
This is a thought. The question is point where to look when you make the exercise. You skip this part with switch on/off the light. Why?
Make it and answer the same questions, plc.
Is there a death of experience of a colour? (excluding black)
No, there was no death of experience of colour.
Does the experience of colour born?
No, the experience of colour was there before.
From who? :)
Sorry, I don’t understand the question.
What about the experience of life? Can experience be born or die?
As long as the experienced body lives experience cannot be born or die.
How old experience of life is?
The experience of life is as old as the experienced body.
Is there an experience of past life or future life?
The experienced body doesn’t have an experience of past or future life.

Thank You
Gerd


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