Help would be appreciated

[Lubo]

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There's nobody
:)
What is to find that?
What is different in you experience (befor and now)?
What changes in everyday life and what does not change?

I don't really think I know exactly what I am, rather what I'm not... is it ever possible to truly know?

What a beautiful question!
What can you find for yourself?

L.

[Pangurban]

There's nobody
:)
What is to find that?

Great question, I don’t even know. It’s just this sense of nothingness that leads to the conclusion.

What is different in you experience (befor and now)?
What changes in everyday life and what does not change?

To be honest, I don’t know. Not much, I guess.
There is still identification. I don’t think I see fully through it. I still get caught up but less and i’m less attached to things. Like what others think about „me“. It doesn’t matter really, since there is nobody and they are nobody and it can’t be controlled. it feels more like freedom.
i believe my thoughts less. l experience things more as one so to say. More as energies. there's less of an urge to figure things out.
yet as i said, i still get caught up. it feels more like a slow gradual shift is happening.
Does that make sense?

[Lubo]

Hi Claudia,

yet as i said, i still get caught up. it feels more like a slow gradual shift is happening.
Does that make sense?

Yes. Totally make sense!

i still get caught up.

This which knows that - is it caught up? - (does this help?)

I don’t think I see fully through it.

Ok. What is missing?

i’m less attached to things. Like what others think about „me“. It doesn’t matter really, since there is nobody and they are nobody and it can’t be controlled. it feels more like freedom.

Yes freedom. Let's every one thinks what it want, it is not scary, it is fun, freedom YES! :)
Your thoughts are also free let's comment every one, to make ideas and meaning..this is the nature of thoughts it doesn't matter what thoughts will comment, right ;)

i believe my thoughts less

Question the idea that we should believe thoughts? :)

there's less of an urge to figure things out.

Beautiful! Thoughts will never figured out what is going on here, never !

There is still identification.

What cause that? Ask identification when it is present - "Why you are here?"
And share the answer with me.

Much love,
Lubo

[Pangurban]

Dear Lubo, hi!

This which knows that - is it caught up? - (does this help?)

Ha, another great question. No, it's the ego that thinks it's getting caught up... It's a bit like falling asleep and beeing in a dream and then waking up again. little samsara cycles all over... ?

Question the idea that we should believe thoughts? :)

Hm, we shouldn't. They are a helpful tool. In the end I do have a job that requires planning and thinking ahead. And thoughts are a great tool to do so. Seeing and experiencing them just as tools creates freedom. At times I just catch myself believing them (samsara cycle..)

I don’t think I see fully through it.
Ok. What is missing?

What's missing? Nothing. It's what's here. The doubts because of the sense of falling asleep. Hm I should probably leave the doubts be, too. like the other thoughts. But I feel because I get caught up I don't see through fully.

Beautiful! Thoughts will never figured out what is going on here, never !

Yeah, the curious Ego-part here doesn't like that it can't get any satisfaction at times. 😄 But on another level that's ok. I'm sure at some point that'll drop, too.

What cause that? Ask identification when it is present - "Why you are here?"
And share the answer with me.

Hm, it's funny. I've been dropping layers/believes, like peeling an onion. I will look at that deeper and take a bit more time with it.

Love
Claudia

[Lubo]

Hi dear Claudia,

Now topic that pos-up reading answers is Ego.
From nondual point of view every word is just a label
label for something which appear as experience.
And we use words to point the experience which we want to share.
word "ego" is lav=bel for what at your Direct Experience - use other words to describe this experience?
Play freely. This is not a tricky question.
I open a space for you to investigate that.

They are a helpful tool. In the end I do have a job that requires planning and thinking ahead. And thoughts are a great tool to do so. Seeing and experiencing them just as tools creates freedom. At times I just catch myself believing them (samsara cycle..)

believing them - let's look with curiosity - is there them?
Thoughts are part from planing or thoughts can plan?
Is there "They" thoughts as a subject?
which can do or not do something?
Thoughts nows or thoughts are known - at your DE?

So much love to you,
Lubo

[Pangurban]

Dear Lubo

Now topic that pos-up reading answers is Ego.

I don't really understand what you're saying here. Sorry.

I understand that "Ego" is a label and it's a lazy way to summarize an experience. I see that this is not helpful for this investigation. :) Genereally it seems language is not at ALL helpful. Yet it is an amazing thing but that's for another day.

I find it hard to describe that experience. It's like being asleep and in a dream, in stories. I guess there's the expectation for that not to happen anymore.

Thoughts don't know, they are known. They just pop up. Maybe taking awareness on a wild ride every now and then?
The sense of emptyness is kind of absent at those times. The sense of I feels real. Then a thought pops up as in "hang on, just thoughts, who's thinking".. its clear again. Those moments I feel I'm just circling.

Love
Claudia

[Lubo]

Hi dar Claudia,

I find it hard to describe that experience. It's like being asleep and in a dream, in stories. I guess there's the expectation for that not to happen anymore..

Yes, beautiful to find that expectation. This may stop soon or latter.
Notice:
Is I/the person dreaming or being dreamed?

Love,
Lubo

[Pangurban]

Hi Lubo

Is I/the person dreaming or being dreamed?

Hm, the I just comes up like the sounds outside. it’s an experience that’s happening. just like anything else really.

there’s nobody dreaming and nobody being dreamed except mybe the illusion of self…

thought is so seductive at times.

Love
Claudia

[Lubo]

there’s nobody dreaming

You are here, you report what is going on.
You are Nobody, you are not persona.
You are here for that.
To find that "I doesn't exist"
but not that
"I do not exist".
What is to find that you are not persona?

Love,
Lubo

[Pangurban]

Dear Lubo

I don’t really know what would find that. I look, there is seeing, thinking and sensing. „There’s no persona“ is just a thought like, „there’s a persona.“ all still appearing in one big don’t know what.

It all basically just happens. who decides to get up and do something? i don’t really know. it’s a thought and sensation forming a sense of „i need to do xxx“. i the body? well the body does it. clean up or something. i is not the body, however. how do things get done? is it just conditioning in the brain?

something remains quick at handing out sticky notes of „i“ and „me“ to things like sensations in the face. sticky notes to label it and claim it. that something can’t be found either.

Love
Claudia

[Lubo]

Beautiful dear Claudia,

I don’t really know what would find that. I look, there is seeing, thinking and sensing. „There’s no persona“ is just a thought like, „there’s a persona.“ all still appearing in one big don’t know what.

Nice :)
let's zoom in this:
"there is seeing, thinking and sensing"
Notice that as if there is someone who sees, thing, and sensing? As if this is personal event?
What is coming to change it in this way :
There is experience visual field, experience- thoughts, experience- sensations


When life is happening?
Is there a "me" running the show?
How far is you from this experience -life?
Are you the experience called life? (including visual field, sensations, thoughts...)

Love,
Lubo

[Pangurban]

Dear Lubo

As if this is personal event?

As if there was persona? like sensations behind the eyes potentially being mistaken as a self?
another sensation in the field of being.

How far is you from this experience -life?

There’s no separation. it’s intimate in a way but that’s only a description.

there’s no me. there’s that feeling but no, there’s nothing. i don’t think i can say i‘m that experience.

Love
Claudia

[Lubo]

Beautiful!

Let's look here again:

there’s no me. there’s that feeling but no, there’s nothing...

The feeling is known, that where the knowing of that feeling happens, is that the feeling?

i don’t think i can say i‘m that experience.

Is that experience is a "me"?

So much love to you,
Lubo

[Pangurban]

Are you the experience called life? (including visual field, sensations, thoughts...)

i don’t think i can say i‘m that experience.

Is that experience is a "me"?

not sure i understand your question, but no, it’s not me. but or better and it’s also not not me… in a weird way.

Love
Claudia

[Lubo]

Hi dear Claudia,

i don’t think i can say i‘m that experience.

I understand that there is a sense of a me and you share that you are not that sense of a me.
I want to invite you to look is there "a real me" in the sense called "me"?
No need to maintain the idea that there is a sense of self that you are not.
There can be everything but not " a me" in any shape, form or sensation or thought or...

Love,
Lubo