I have been searching for 45 years. Still looking. Frustrated and disappointed. But what a marvelous journey it has been

[Anastacia42]

:)

You asked.

:)

[DavidW]

Hi Stacy,

Whew! I thought you were canning me. (No me to can?)

I want to review our "conversations." A way of consolidating my path, and I do have serious short-term memory issues. I believe a review at this point would be helpful. I'll keep up with the conversation too, maybe a bit slower.

Thank you for being here, Stacy.

Take care,

David

[Anastacia42]

That's fine.

Just answer final questions & most likely we'll be finished.

Answer from your present experience now. No review should be necessary.

Much love,

[DavidW]

Hi Stacy,

Now I am completely confused. I asked you if what I wrote was correct. What I wrote wasn’t coming from my experience, it was a question. I’m not “there” yet.

Are we done working together?

Take care,

David

[Anastacia42]

I see now.

Because you asked if we're finished, I thought you felt complete. Now I understand.

Yes, reviewing your thread maybe helpful.

We are only finished when you can give a strong resounding, "Yes!" when I ask if you are 100% certain that you find no separate "self" anywhere.

Your replies to the Stream Exercise" are perfect.

Please do the "Nature Exercise" I posted yesterday when you can. Are you able to go outdoors?

Loving,

[DavidW]

Hi Stacy,

I've been doing some "internal research" [thinking] about inside, the me-ness. I notice that I no longer think in terms of a witness. Now the witness is me, inside here. The witness is awareness, a part of me (well, the whole damn thing actually), not something out there seeing in here. It's all there is.

Interesting side note. Outside, in nature, everything is in motion, "alive," while inside, in this room, almost everything is stationary. I never noticed that difference before.

Notice that everything is part of one movement.

Difficult because "mind" wants to divide it up. But when I do for brief moments, it's like I've taken off and I'm flying off the ground.

Then close your eyes and see if there is a line between you and out there, between you and life itself.

No. But with eyes closed everything is "in here," everything isn't "out there."

If yes, where is the boundary?

No edge.

Is there an inside and an outside of Life?

How could there be? No.

Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?

Again, how could there be?

Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance?

No, but there is awareness, which is sort of inside and outside at the same time, a part of everything and yet separate from everything.

Is witnessing part of the one movement too?

No, witnessing, awareness, IS everything

Is there anything which is not just happening?

Nope.

I hope all is well with you. Thank you for all your help. I'm getting there!

Take care,

David

[Anastacia42]

Hi David,

In my opinion, you *are* there, but still sorting out a few details in your thought stories about it. Just let go and experience. It is very, very simple. Thought stories make it complicated. It is not.

Is witnessing part of the one movement too?
No, witnessing, awareness, IS everything

Isn't this a "yes?" Yes, witnessing is part of the one movement? You seem to contradict yourself.

Much love,

[DavidW]

Hi Stacy.

Still here.

How does someone awake react to interpersonal relationships? I had my first day back at work after the surgery. I was completely different. Awareness was aware of my internal responses and there were many moments of simply being with the people I work with instead of reacting to them, internally and externally. It seems to me that when I am not thinking I am Awake. When I am focused on thoughts, sensations, sights, sounds, etc., there is no center of David, there is just verb-ing.

I continue to review and to be aware of sensations as we have explored them. If you have more challenges I’m ready.

I hope this finds you well. I appreciate the help you have given me and see definite results.

Take care,

David

[Anastacia42]

Yes! Just verbing. That's what awakening is like.

You might enjoy a book I (no, there's no "I" this is used for convenience. ) was part of.

_What's Awakening Really Like? _

https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Awakening- ... 130&sr=8-1

How does someone awake react to interpersonal relationships?

Just about like you described.

Can't see any need for further pointers, really. There are teleconference groups you could attend, even now, for further support. I'll send that separatly.

Can you now say 100% that there is no separate "self" and never has been?

Once you can, I'll send if the "final" questions.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

First, don't be addicted to seeking, now that you have "found." Let it go & be the verbing you described.


Here are links to teleconferences & if you'll friend me on Facebook, I can invite you to the Fetter-Free group. I'm Stacy Clark in Colorado.


There are 3 meetings & a set of 5 videos you're invited to attend:

Thursday Meetings.

Hi Guys,

we are Luchana & Lubo, guides at LU.

Here is an invitation for you:

Join us each Thursday, 6 pm CET, UTC+1
and let's explore together what is already here.
Let's enjoy together this beauty called Life
MEETINGS ARE ON ZOOM and LIVE on youtube.

To participate in the meetings, send a request to luchanauzunova@gmail.com

You will receive an e-mail confirming your participation and a link to join.

Looking forward to seeing YOU!
Luchana & Lubo
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Meet up with vince (For LU seekers & guides)

Monday August 14

Sydney (est) Australia. 6 am right now
Every 2 weeks after that.

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Let him know if you want email reminders.
vinceschubert@gmail.com

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Ilona's Meetings

Next group meeting on Zoom is on the 4th of September. (Not sure when next one is. Just write to her.)

To register send Ilona an email to

admin@ilonaciunaite.com

Looking forward :)


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(videos)

Hi everyone.

Starting on 15th of October for 5 weeks I will post a new video of guiding sessions we had with Jim.
Here is a link to the first one.

https://youtu.be/gb6FwZ6PlI4

Liberation Unleashed Direct Pointing - The Gateless Gate

Ilona

Write to them for the next meeting.

For Fetters:

Todd has teleconference group that meets - I think every 2 weeks. I can invite you to that group on Facebook where the notices are posted. What is your FB name?

There is also www.findingawakening.com but Christine has a waiting list.

And Kevin Shinilac has https://www.simplytheseen.com/ but I don't think he is guiding any more, although there are instructions on his site.

Much love,

[Anastacia42]

Hi David

Still there?

I haven't heard from you for 2 weeks.

Loving

[DavidW]

Hi Stacy. I’m sorry for not writing. I have been struggling with my search. I delayed writing in hopes of “success.” I’m frustrated and disappointed. (But I haven’t quit.) Since you said we had completed the inquiry sections, I wasn’t sure where we stood, and so I delayed contact. I have been reading the books relating to LU but they weren’t as helpful as our work together. What do you suggest I do? Thank you for all your patience and help. David

[Anastacia42]

Hi David,

You wrote:

So there is no I. There is only seeing, hearing, thinking, etc.
So there is nothing seen, heard, touched, etc., outside of seeing, hearing, touching, etc.
Then all there is is all happening only within awareness. And there is only awareness.

Yes. That's it.

What are you still searching for?


Loving,

[DavidW]

Hi Stacy.

Ah. So would it be clearer if I had put a question mark at the end? I wrote it knowing it, but not being able to put it all together.

I just read this in the "Read Me First" on the Forum:

"2. Be 100% honest. It is very easy to deceive oneself, especially when it comes to something as subtle as the intimacy of your direct experience. Strive to be completely honest and transparent as to what is actually happening in your experience, this will make the process as smooth as possible."

That nails it.

I EXPERIENCED it in the exercises. But I can't put it all together.

Thank you,

David
Take care,

David

[Anastacia42]

Hiv David

What does this mean?

But I can't put it all together.

Loving,