(Hindi) Why sufferings?

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:50 pm

Namastay ji
What is giving meaning to the thought?
Let say a simple thought is that its Cold outside today. And that Appears to me After seen weather Report in TV.then appears pawan as he identify himself with weather....now he needs jacket and so on..i Appears only when i identify with something. Letssay Ego,emotions, Material....
What do you find when you look for this body, make a list, at least five sentences? Is there anything there producing thought and emotions? What is the experience of body? Is the body experienced or is it experiencing?
Body itself producing nothing. No thoughts or emotions ..thoughts appears from what we gather from five senses. There is no experience of body urself.
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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:19 am

Hi Pawan,

Thanks for your response. I liked that you gave more details. Please keep writing in detail. It helps to communicate better.
What is giving meaning to the thought?
Let say a simple thought is that its Cold outside today. And that Appears to me After seen weather Report in TV.then appears pawan as he identify himself with weather....now he needs jacket and so on..i Appears only when i identify with something. Letssay Ego,emotions, Material....
What is this I that appears? Does it do something? Can you see this is a story? What is underneath the story?

Is there anything there producing thought and emotions? What is the experience of body? Is the body experienced or is it experiencing?
Body itself producing nothing. No thoughts or emotions ..thoughts appears from what we gather from five senses. There is no experience of body urself
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You say body itself producing nothing. A few days ago you said body is a machine that produces thoughts and emotions. How did your answer change?

Do thoughts appear from sense perceptions? What do you mean when you say thoughts appear from what we gather from the five senses?

A while ago you said body can be touched, now you say there is no experience of body. Can you explain?

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:09 am

Namastay ji
What is this I that appears? Does it do something? Can you see this is a story? What is underneath the story?
Using Alphabet I only to represent PAWAN in a story. Cant see i .and not doing anything.
You say body itself producing nothing. A few days ago you said body is a machine that produces thoughts and emotions. How did your answer change?
Answer is the Same as body only Provides Platform thoughts and emotions to play or can say its a like TV Screen in which everything is happning..
Do thoughts appear from sense perceptions? What do you mean when you say thoughts appear from what we gather from the five senses
Thoughts are always there as body giving Platform to thoughts and emotions and for survival process body needs five senses or gathered all Information through five senses.
A while ago you said body can be touched, now you say there is no experience of body. Can you explain
If i think i am a body then yes i can feel or touch it, now as i am not this body . So there is no experience of this body.
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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:17 pm

Hi Pawan,

Thanks for your response. Please keep up with the details.

How is body providing platform for thoughts and emotions? In direct experience how is it known?

How is it known body gathers information from the five senses?

It looks like a new belief - I am not the body. This is not about replacing one belief with another. If you stop thinking about the body does the visual experience of hands, feet etc. disappear? Do you have to believe you are a body to feel the touch and other sensations?

Please keep writing in detail.

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:31 pm

Namastay ji
How is body providing platform for thoughts and emotions? In direct experience how is it known?
Thoughts and emotions needs a machnism and body is that machnism. if i tries to observe this physical body then its clear that in story this body ,thoughts,emotions are working together.
How is it known body gathers information from the five senses
?
If i hear or see something all that information gathered into mind
Same with touch and smell.
It looks like a new belief - I am not the body. This is not about replacing one belief with another. If you stop thinking about the body does the visual experience of hands, feet etc. disappea
True if i stop thinking even though visual experience remains as i can see then all the time
Do you have to believe you are a body to feel the touch and other sensations?
No i need not to believe that i am a body to feel the touch and other sensations.
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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:03 pm

Hi Pawan,

Thanks for your response.

How is it happening in direct experience? What mechanism do thoughts and emotions need? Without a story, about how it is happening what is there? In direct experience what is that is called body made of?

How is it known there is a mind? What is there that gathers all the sensory information? How is this mind experienced?

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Divya

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:24 am

Namastay ji
I am sick After taking corona injection...thatswhy havent replied..i am getting better now ...i ll reply within one two days.
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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:00 pm

Hi Pawan,

Take care. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks for letting me know. There is no rush. Take care of yourself.

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:21 pm

Hi Pawan,

How you are doing well after your vaccination?

Is there still some interest in continuing this investigation?

Wishing you all the best!

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:51 pm

Namastay ji
Sorry for late reply ..i ll start within a day...i was busy due to a minor car accident...
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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:23 pm

Hi Pawan,

Sorry to hear about your accident. How is everything? Hope you are recovering well.

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:26 am

Namastay ji
Sorry for late reply as so many things happened at once..anyways..things are back to normal..can we work on direct experience a bit with a recap then we can proceed further.
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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:31 pm

Sure, busy morning here. I'll get back later in the day.

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby Kya » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:19 pm

Hi Pawan,

So, yes, what is direct or actual experience? Whatever you experience in the present is direct experience. It is there without any interpretation. It has all the sense perceptions, thoughts and imagination. It is the experience happening right now.

If we look here, now, without interpretation, is someone running the show?

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Re: (Hindi) Why sufferings?

Postby PAWAN » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:39 am

Namastay ji.
is someone running the show?
No one is running the Show,just happening everything.
What about the Interpretation of what we gather from five senses.direct experience is without interpretieren...but this Interpretation is also happening automatic.
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Pawan


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