Any news? :)

It is like chicken and egg problem. But it seems now that first experience happens, then comes awareness.
Look.
We are not going for 'seems'. Seems is thinking. Just look at what happens. Is one before the other, or is your experience that they arise together?

Experience can be known only ...

No I cannot find a chair without the awareness of it. It comes automatically whenever there is an experience of chair.
So, what is your direct experience of there being 1) a consciousness, and 2) a chair?
You say you never find a chair without there being consciousness.
Have you ever found ...

So in your last sentence you said that without awareness you cannot say anything about anything.
You also agree that you have never found any experience outside of consciousness. You just assume there is such a thing like an external world, maybe also because science tells us that.

Now why do you ...

Cool. Get a good deep sense of your experience right now. The sights, scents, feelings, sounds, tastes, emotions, thoughts, whatever may be happening. Take a moment to check it all.
Can you experience them without consciousness?
Have you ever experienced any of them without consciousness? (or ...

Aha, so you are saying "I" is awareness / consciousness, am I right?

Have you noticed how muscular tensions can make you feel like there is a 'you' for some reason? Often when we think, very small muscular tensions or feelings in the mouth area accompany the thoughts, or for example your facial muscles move (frowning, for instance). Do you see how this reinforces the ...

But is that true? Can we observe thoughts? Who observes thoughts? Don't answer intellectually, from knowing. Look every time I ask you a question. That's the idea. Even when you know what the answer is, just look, take your time.

When you turn your head, who turns the head?
When you hear something ...

Aren't thoughts just a happening too? Do we need to be invested in thoughts and fight them, or can thoughts pass by, just like your stomach might grumble?

How can the experience not have an observer?
Irrelevant question. The question is: can you find an observer.
Imagine people 2000 years ago ...

Cool.

Also aren't we looking "I" with the help of "I"?
Are we? How can "I" help?
What "I" could help?
If you were to describe what happens when you look, what would you say?

...and make a mess of everything.
Is that actually possible?
Who would make a mess?
What would a mess be? Who defines ...

Alright. We investigate here through direct experience. That is, seeing, hearing, feeling, touching, tasting.
When I want to know if my keys are in my pocket, I feel my pocket, and yes! there they are.
But how about "I"? We live our lives from the assumption of I existing, but look, feel, smell ...

Achal, can you please look at my post from Thursday 24 sept 10:13 pm and reply to that.
We are not trying to get rid of thoughts here. Please follow my guiding questions :)

Dear Achal,

I'm getting the feeling you aren't at the right place for this investigation yet.
What do you think?
I don't want us to waste our time on something that isn't working. Please consider whether you feel you are really ready and willing to dedicate time to investigate (not think). We need ...

Hey there Achal. Did any more looking happen? Any updates?

Where there is a self? In the brain probably.
That's theory. We are looking, remember? ;-)

There are moments in between the train of thoughts when there is a feeling of the self. When I am conscious, in the present moment, looking at things, there is deep feeling that I am the observer looking ...