Morning Dridhamati

Do you mean "a lot remains unknown about direct experience"? Or do you mean direct experience has revealed many unknown? I mean that IN direct experience much remains unknown? Well it depends on what is expected to be revealed.
You say below " ...from the raw data from the 6 ...

Hello Dridhamati

'Alot remains unknown in direct experience'.
Do you mean "a lot remains unknown about direct experience"? Or do you mean direct experience has revealed many unknown?
I mean that IN direct experience much remains unknown?


Yes it would be interesting to do the final questions ...

Good morning Dridhamati,

I have been thinking about the shelved questions and where as the questions are still relevant,
I have been exploring responses from the perspective of direct expereince.

Alot is unknown and we CAN hypothesize using various concepts
but just becuase we can have word ...

Hi there Dridhamati,

there are on going health horrors with sever back and connective tissue pain all over [my] the body . . .. . . Ok the last day or two . .. . . . it is hard to prioritize doing all the exercise needed to minimize the pain. the mental exhaustion is the worst. I have been doing ...

Hi there 'Dridhamati', sorry about the long gap , there has been illness, there still is.

Question one
- no there IS no 'self' which appears under different guises.
- ' out of touch with direct experience' and living in the delusion of an 'I' and therefore lost and reactive. No 'I' there, just ...

Hi Dhridamati. . . .. yes I get that 'the gate' is a metaphore. . . I wrote it out like that just for my own clarity as to what you were meaning.

So now the gate is open wht IS the next step ? . . . . I have several 'missing bits' I would like to be clearer about. . . .. . subjective realities ...

Thank you Dridhamati
To summarize

1. The realization ' direct experience is more reliable' than [optional] verbalization which to only to soom extent represents reality. UN LOCKING THE GATE [metaphorically]
2. ' the self' like 'the flower' is a functional concept with no absolute fixed intrinsic ...

Hello there Dridhamati

How does this realisation feel? Is this something that is deeply 'seen', or is there doubt? **

It 'feels' completely straightforward and normal.
I am not sure how'deeply ' seen this realization is . . . . . . . but no doubt I am aware of , just very straightforward.

If ...

Tuesday 19th August

" What does the realization that 'verbalization is optional' mean in terms of what can be relied on as reality OR is experience of life MORE REAL than subsequent verbalization "
Direct experience feels more reliable Dridhamati

I am not sure what you mean by verbalization ...

Thursday 14th August.

Hello Dridhamati. . . . all is well here.

I have been enjoying following the directions you gave last week [Aug 5th] and as you say there are many opportunities
- noting bare sensations in a wide variety of daily situations
- sometimes noting the mind coming up with ...

Hello Dridhamati, this is SO challenging emotionally but the steps about accepting the urge to conceptualize etc very clear and useful.

I see that the raw sensation 'resistance on the skin' is more 'real' direct or primary experience than the concepts involved in ' hand moving thru water' which ...

Hello Dridhamati,

Thank you for you post.
YES mistrust of [my] experience IS a major issue for me. Thanks for flagging it, I will be on the lookout when it arises and resist the urge to test/ verify and conceptualize expereince.
To the degree I am able.

It is difficult for me to seperate
direct ...

Sorry about the use of 'objective experience' Dhridhamati.... I think I am confused . . .. imagined expereince IS expereinced isn't it? . . . but the first 'hand in water activity' was expereinced objectively . . . . ie when I put the wet hand on paper it leaves a mark . . .. . .yet when I placed ...

Hello Dridhamati,

In the 'wet hand ' experiement the 1st exercise results in the hand being wet [both 'hand' and 'wetness' are concepts], 2nd ' my hand is in the water' results only in imagined wetness and so the 1st is closer to objective reality .

YES we are agreed about 'raw sensations' and ...

Question 1: would you say that this [Direct experience] is entirely new, that the organism called Akampiya has never 'experienced'?

Question 2: can you please describe the entire process of seeing a mug on a table? (the physical sensation part, then what happens in the mind.)

Remember: in your ...