Hi Nina and Patrick.

Nina is a good guide, and I am happy for her to continue with you on here if that is what you wish.
Alternatively, I am happy to Skype as we did before if you wish this too - Message me on Skype or by phone if you wish this.

I am no-longer an active guide or part of the LU ...

Hi Jazul

Lovely to Skype with you - I will hand you over to Hannah to continue with the questions for you.

All the best
Xain ♥

At this stage, I think it's best if another guide takes over from me.
I will arrange this for you.

All the very best for the future
Xain ♥

Well, of course the word 'experience' is just a word, but there is something that the word refers to, and that thing is not just a word.

Well, of course the word 'self' is just a word, but there is something that the word refers to, and that thing is not just a word.
Right?

Xain ♥

Honestly your response on the 15th shook me a little and I lost faith in my ability to communicate with you.
You began discussing philosophical points (about 'experience') which don't really have anything to do with this guidance.
My guidance isn't to allow new beliefs to form - Merely to examine ...

I'm not convinced that your heart is in this guidance at the moment, with the long delays in between posts.
Perhaps we need to have a break at this point.

Xain ♥

Do you feel that you have realised something?
The most concerning response from you I got was 'I'm a little worried that I've only grasped this linguistically and not 'properly''.

There has never been a real 'I'. What is expected other than to realise this?
If you do not feel you have realised this ...

Just been reflecting a little more, and I'm thinking that the kind of self you've been guiding me to look for is a kind of self that I never actually believed in.
Not sure about your phraseology - Are there different kinds of self? (Selves?)

I just mean I think I was a little confused about what ...

The thoughts are real and here right now but their contents are stories.

Why aren't they BOTH 'the content of a story'?
What is NOT 'the content of a story' as you put it?

Xain ♥

But, I'm tempted to say that there isn't an illusion of a separate self, and never was, but instead only a lack of introspection or attention to the language I was using to notice that the language doesn't match the experience.
Is there a real self 'using language' and 'not noticing'?

The ...

Ok, I await your answer to question 2.

In the meantime, here are the final three questions:

4) Was there something specific you looked into or something that was mentioned that made you fully realise? - Was there a specific moment where you 'tipped over' into realising 'no real self'?

5 ...

WHACK!

Here are the first three of the six questions:

1) Is there a real separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I'? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience and understanding. Describe it fully as you see it ...

As a matter of experience, there is no real world actually.
Yes. It is entirely inferred.
It is possible to experientially realises this also. But that's way beyond this dialogue.

I want to say that as a matter of what I'm calling experience, there actually is no experience.
Yes.

But it is ...

I should say the unconsidered actions are followed by other movements and thoughts that also follow actions which thoughts explicitly suggest to be voluntary.
Are the thoughts voluntary?
Or to be more precise, is there anything 'voluntary' about thoughts other than the content of a thought itself ...

Does this indicate I'm still not getting it?
No, you've got it.

Without consideration of the action the difference between voluntary/involuntary is meaningless
I agree.

But whenever they happen to be considered they will be lumped into one of the two groups voluntary/involuntary for some ...