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by zenkitties
Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:54 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Liberation?
Replies: 62
Views: 6377

Re: Liberation?

what is scared about it being seen, or can it even see itself? The thought IS the thinker.

What belief is propogating this fear, and what tensions are in the body because of this. It's good to be mindful of these things.

I think you're on to something. The I is flimsy in fact it doesn't even ...
by zenkitties
Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:33 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Hey Susan,

Sometimes a break needs to be done, just like exercising. The muscles need time to rest and recover. I hope that the feeling of relaxation will come back to you.

Of course it's alright Susan, no one is keeping you against your will and I much enjoyed interacting with you. We both took ...
by zenkitties
Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:36 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

there is no witness, find the witness. Who's witnessing?

There is no seer, look. See this (and i say this as lightly as possible because of the paradox that is presented here)

There is ONLY SEEING being experienced, no seer seeing anything.

They're not a witness are they?

You tell me, is ...
by zenkitties
Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:28 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Hey Susan,

Yep I told you that I would see you through the gate, and "I" have always been known to be very patient with people. Its part of the conditioning thats been worked on so much that it comes as second nature. :)

I am trying to relax around this and see them as arisings that are all part ...
by zenkitties
Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:14 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Liberation?
Replies: 62
Views: 6377

Re: Liberation?

So with that being said,

Is there an I anywhere in existence right now in direct experience?

Was there an I ever in existence?
by zenkitties
Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:26 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Hey Susan!

I see you had a good god walk. ;)

I wish you a good saturday as well! Enjoying some time in. Had a talk with one of my good friends going through a break up haha. The issue of control seems to be coming up more and more as theme lately. Its all very wonderful. I'm very thankful that you ...
by zenkitties
Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:47 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

But the pull was strong, so it was hard not to get drawn into it and back into the head. Will try this some more on my dog walk this afternoon.

The pull seems strong. Relax into it, you can tell your mind that you thank it for its concern and ask it what it's worried about, why it needs to keep ...
by zenkitties
Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:57 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Btw you might want to just be with the dog walk instead of contemplation.

You will literally be observing exactly what is going on, instead of inside your head!

The dog walk IS THIS. it IS what is going on.
by zenkitties
Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:56 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Much gratitude for your beautiful and reassuring post. I will re read it and look deeper into it and get back to you. I am laughing at myself now saying I am feeling pressure 'being on page 4' here. Ha ha. How many pages should it take? Lol.

Oh no, I see that now we're on page 5. More pressure. ha ...
by zenkitties
Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:26 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

It feels risky to allow that role to drop, although I realise that the role may continue after clear seeing.

Well firstly, I would like to say thanks for being honest and for sticking with it. A lot of people would of probably given up and went elsewhere already.

Secondly, what's going on IS ...
by zenkitties
Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:22 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

I keep harping back to last week but want clarity now instead of seeing all this through the veil of me. Self enquiry seems harder this week - just isn't flowing. Before it just seemed to happen without a lot of effort. Do you get the sense I need to apply myself more and make more effort - is that ...
by zenkitties
Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:28 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

It's all patterns, like a kaleidoscope, but when patterns appear to recur (although they never recur exactly the same twice - I get that), they get labelled by thought and then seem familiar and somehow identification and attachment (and suffering) occurs.

Maybe a general theme, but can we call a ...
by zenkitties
Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:07 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

I already knew this intellectually, but have recently been feeling it with some panic arising if I'm not controlling outcomes. On the other hand, there are times of relaxation and relief. I like the image of the paper tiger.

Yes keep looking until you directly experience it completely. Until that ...
by zenkitties
Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:29 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Is this process about letting go?

Yes very much so. It is letting go of EVERYTHING. You cannot take it with you, there is no you to have these things.

Jesus said, "You must lose your life, to gain your life."

Can you say anything about detachment and letting go and this process please?

Okay ...
by zenkitties
Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:58 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Replies: 76
Views: 7605

Re: Desperately Seeking Freedom

Relaxation coming back today which seems really connected to the insights during the week...Looking back I remember noticing alot of relaxation seeming to happen but forgot to mention it.

Have a lovely weekend Nick.

Awesome, that means that opening is happening on many levels as well. the ...

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