Hi Tak, just wrapping this thread up, sorry it didnt work out. But if you're interested again feel free to start a thread and someone should pick it up.

there's all the processing and reaction to those experiences. my experience of self feels rooted in my current response to stimuli.

eg: There's the sensory experience of chocolate (all the senses) and my current processing and reaction to that chocolate is part of my conception of self. I can ...

Well firstly, those experiments were just to demonstrate that every aspect of experience has no self within the experience.

Im pretty convinced my illusion of self isnt seated in any of my sensory experiences. If I had any lingering doubts, these experiments extinguished them.


So what else is ...

That in your direct experience of smell , sound and visual, you simply cant find a self, no matter how much you are told.
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Remember, when we do this, we are only interested in direct experience , not knowledge of whats happening.

Man, observing the experience is such a mindy task for me. Im ...

Personally Im pretty convinced that its the visual field that aids this seeing the most alright, and am thinking that that is the reason we all seem to start shouting "LOOK" lol.

Well there was the visual experiment above, what about that one no?

Also, remember, all of these experiences arent ...

Cool, although I didnt mean for you to keep doing the tapping thing :), it was more to show you something.
That in your direct experience of smell , sound and visual, you simply cant find a self, no matter how much you are told.

So now,
4/ Taste, get an orange (or whatever) peel it, break off a ...

So hows the looking going Tak?

How about the questions themselves? As oppose to what you think or assume is happening.

I said Id write out a few direct experiments.

1. Sound

et a spoon, get a cup, Close your eyes, and lightly tap the spoon off the cup. And ask IN THAT SOUND ALONE is there evidence of a you? only in that sound, you may be tempted to imagine a you, you may tempted to think that the intention of ...

sitting here trying to figure out what to type, how to re-engage, feeling very disappointed, not good enough, scolded, called out on being dishonest, feeling defensive -- "i didnt mean to be dishonest". Yet, some of your questions ringing in my thoughts.. *what* is feeling/thinking this way ...

Hi tak, just in case your wondering if I've been offline but will be back properly tomorrow, just reading off the phone now.

Ok man , this is getting ridiculous, now its time for the stick.

You seem to have done the complete opposite of what I asked in the last few posts.


I feel the stick coming on
Yet you kept typing stuff that you knew was not going to be about your direct looking at this, now you're just being ...

Thank you for the reply.

I guess first of all I'd like to say that I dont want to give up on this process.

Ok, cool, lets get real focused here so!! :)



-after every single thought, truly asking, not thinking about asking, or not pretending to ask , but actually checking "where was the self ...

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rather than rely that whole two hour long conversation / exploration, let me just say that i might have to do some unexpected work here as I grapple with the idea on why I have these beliefs and what purpose they serve .. and maybe they've outlived their original purpose, etc. But i want to be ...

Hi tak, sorry just off the computer for the last while, posting this from the phone, but will reply as soon as I get back tomorrow.

Ok, cool,
Just to let you know, ive helped several people see this, just like I was helped see this. But there has always been a consistency with people that see it. It just makes total and utter sense to them anyway prior to seeing it. Its just not that big a deal.
I knew there was no "self". Now ...