This is my actual experience without labelling, before thoughts come: Theres a cup in front of me. I turn my eyes at the cup, but im not seeing a cup. Im seeing the whole view (the table, the window behind the cup, all of it). Its not even the cup, table and window, its just colors/view in general ...

Right now—is that “doer” anything more than a thought?
What exactly is it? Where is it? Can it be touched? Weighed?
Or is it just the story of doing that comes after the relaxation?

Right now, yes. Its the body. The body feels, hears, sees. If the body feels, it seems (true or illusion) that i ...

- Where in the body is the weight?
- Is it in the throat? Chest? Gut?
- What is its shape, size, texture?

Throat and head. Its a sensation and like all sensations there is no shape, size or texture to it.

What is here, beneath the label? What is the actual sensation, right now?

I dont think ...

Hey Vince,

Things have been difficult last few days. Seems like im back at square one and even worse. Thoughts with the story of 'me' have been overwhelming. Seems like im always lost in the story about 'me' these days. The emotions have been depressing as well. I try to go to the park and ...

Hey Vince,

Things are very strange. Just went for a walk and got these shifts from stillness and calmness everywhere, to overwhelmed by sensations, back and forth. Interesting that now when the thoughts come, they mostly remind me to stop responding which is followed by lack of thoughts ...

Now—in the middle of all this appearing—where is the one it's happening to?

If i drop all effort, the senses come wave after wave in an overwhelming fashion. Makes me forget the question. Just sit there in this spinning flow on senses. Nothing else is even there. Thought comes reminding me that i ...

Alright, sounds good. Im ready to continue when you are.

Went back to it this morning. Closed my eyes and looked at thoughts, responsibility, attention. Checked if they are even real at all. I know thoughts are for sure there, because I hear them in words in my mind. Feeling of responsibility and attention on the other hand i'm not so sure about. Might be ...

Let everything happen: thoughts, feelings, sounds, sensations.

Now—without using memory or thought—can you point to any “me” that’s there, in the middle of experience?

Is anything actually owning the pain? Claiming the thoughts?

Or is it just happening?


I can not point to anything, because I ...

Start now:

- When a thought arises, who hears it?
- When a sensation pulses in the body, who is it happening to?
- When emotion stirs, is there a feeler?

It feels like there is something or someone who this is happening to but I cant put my finger on it. Its something very abstract.

Where is ...

Basically, you just described my meditation. :)

I've read the liberation unleashed book by Ilona and many others. I also read forum threads of other people. I understand that resisting is what is causing the friction and surrender is the answer. I also see that the main reason why thoughts are so ...

Now I want you to watch how you react to what I'm about to say… If any emotion appears this is your portal into what I am pointing to.
I gave you pointers out of it, but you didn't hear them. (Because you're stuck in that loop).

Fear, helplessness.

Right now, what makes "lost in thought" a ...

Hello Vince,

Thanks for accepting me into the forum.

My apologies for the delay in reply. Email got lost in spam.

Thanks for the pointers. I do what you suggest during meditation and what i notice is that thoughts still come, but they have no complete words or concepts, just beginnings of words ...

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
That self is just a concept, a thought which can not be found through senses.

What are you looking for at LU?
I keep on switching from drowning in thoughts to reaching the eye of the storm and ...