So is there an attention after all, who/what notices?
No, there is no attention when looked at, there can "seem" like there's an attention, but really looking it's seen as not real. There no thing to notice it, but noticing does occur.

What is doing the noticing?
There's nothing doing noticing ...

Let me know what happens when you make looking into a habit.
Work in progress.


So is there an agency, called attention?
No, after looking there doesn't seem to be. It's more like "whats happening" is just assumed to be this "attention", so really attention is not some different thing other ...

Hey Viven,

Going to give this another day.

Thanks.

Does it still feel in your everyday life (when not looking) that I am moving my body, I am thinking, I am deciding?
It still does feel like there is the controller of action when not consciously looking for it.

It's like I will look and not find anything, then attention will move into thoughts ...

Is there something or someone inside the body, like a central controller, which makes the body move?
No, it just happens automatically, no controller is needed.

Which decides by which leg take the first step?
There is no deciding to take a first step, a first step is just taken without the need ...

Hey Viven,

Going to give this one more day of looking.

Thanks

Hey Viven,

Sorry for not responding lately, I'm ready to get this ball rolling consistently again.

When not looking and just living your everyday life, does it feel or seem like that you are Echoz?
Yes.

Does it feel like that Echoz is the subject of experience?
Yes, it feels like I am doing ...

And how do you know that you can’t see the self for what it is? Can a non-existent self be seen?
No, can't see something that isn't there.

How do you want to see something that doesn’t exist?
I can't see something that isn't.

If I say to you that there is a living pink unicorn in your room ...

Hey Viven,

Sorry about not writing, been taking my time on this one.


What is doing the looking?
I can't find anything doing the looking, but the looking is happening in direct experience.

And what is it that notices that there is nothing there?
Noticing just happens. I can't say there is ...

Do you expect that seeing through the self means seeing it 24/7? No matter what happens, it should be always seen to be an illusion?
There was an expectation that the nature of self would be seen consistently, but looking at that expectation it's just another thought.


Believed by what/who? What ...

Viven,

Thoughts are still believed at times. When I consciously look at thoughts it's clear they are just empty of any solidity or self, but still some thoughts are just believed to be real. I keep looking again and again at how they function throughout my day, but the seeing doesn't stick.

I keep ...

Hey Viven,

Will write this up tomorrow, didn't get to it yet.

Thanks!

And what about thinking? Is a doing? Or a happening?
It's a happening.

Is there effort in thinking? Or thoughts just appear totally effortlessly?
Thoughts just appear without effort.


Can the Echoz character control what thought is going to appear next?
No, thoughts just flow, no control ...

Do those sensations at the seeming center are the experiencer?
No, it can just be assumed that, when looking directly there an experiencer can't be found.

Does life happening to those sensations? '
No, life is just happening, not to any specific sensations.

Do those sensations at the seeming ...

But does it feel like as if there were a you being somewhere inside the body?
Yes.


Can you locate where the center of me seems to be?
The center of "me" seems to be in the head.

What makes that area of the body/sensations into a center?
When I look directly at it I can't find any special ...