Okay. Thank you!

4) What was key in seeing this?


The graphic you posted of the little man inside the head pulling levers :-)

Learning to use direct experience, (what can be seen, touched, tasted, heard and sensed) to see that what we had previously believed to be an "I" was/is a collection of thoughts, which ...

From the below, perhaps "heart" was the wrong choice of word as that is really just another label. There is a sensation of something that I can't put into words. Maybe movement? Maybe it doesn't need a word. Thinking storm! Take cover! lol

1) Was ‘me’/‘myself’ ever a living being that moves, speaks or thinks?


Although there is a living being that moves, speaks and thinks, having looked into this, no I-me-myself, was found to exist or to ever have existed. It can't be seen or touched or controlled or control anything. There is just ...

[quoteIs what you are labeling awareness personal - is it yours, is it a you?][/quote]


No, it's impersonal, and it's not "mine."

Do you have doubts? Which are they?


No, I guess I don't have doubts. Just looking for validation. But that's just my imaginary self going on, so never mind...

So, I think I had it backwards when I was in the middle of my "thought storm" (I loved that phrasing!) and was wondering if without an "I" we are just robots or zombies... Seems to me that when we are caught up in "self-ing" THAT is when we are being robots or zombies, just operating from sheer ...

is it true there is an I getting sucked into it all? Or getting sucked happens without an I? Could not being sucked happen at all? Does the self-illusion happen to you or seem to create a you? Could any moment be different than it is? Notice how, when mind comments something, it's usually after it ...

You are having a thinking storm that seems to be clouding all the rest. That's okay. It will pass. Maybe it's already gone?


It was more like a hurricane. My goodness, how easily I get sucked back into it all.


All the thinking in the world, as clever as it can be, will not help you here ...

Can you try looking at a situation where it seems there is a you controlling what is going on and describe what you see?


How about this right now; responding to your post... I read what you wrote, with my eyeballs, then watch the thoughts that come streaming out in response. I'd like to think I ...

(Superfluous Side note to the previous Superfluous Side note: I just thought it was funny that of all the songs to pop up in my head, that one came up, with those particular lyrics. I did not meant to imply "I'm free" (because there is no I) and that's what made me laugh).

Is it true that a separate entity that is supposed to be doing stuff is an illusion? Can you give me some examples about how this is known by observing your immediate experience?


At work: processing checks on the computer, paying memberships, with each new entry a screen comes up that says ...

Thank you, Canfora, for your kindness, and for reminding me how to look. I don't want to stop inquiring. Do I even have a choice? Who or what chooses? <Joke> Or is it??? ;-)

Ready to try again!

Looking at the symptoms again? :-)


Lol! My goodness yes!


Can you find a self, a separate ...

So incredibly frustrated right now!

And I can't seem to stop. I look around. Who or what is frustrated. I don't know. I can't SEE anything directly, so it must be NOTHING.

and it doesn't make any sense. My brain hurts.

What do you mean when you say you aren't having too much luck? What are you expecting to happen?


I mean I am not having much luck at having more moments where I can see through the "I". Maybe I am not really getting this after all. Feeling kind of sad and like a failure at the moment :-(

I'm ...

Still looking at this. The body and the bodily sensations also seem to contribute to a sense of I. Thought thinks if there's feeling, then an "I" must be feeling it.

But I know that's not true, because of the heated car moment. And because thoughts cannot think other thoughts.

I had another one ...