Guiding thread for 'Partridge Fritz'

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Guiding thread for 'Partridge Fritz'

Postby Xain » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:06 pm

Xain:
Let's say that a thought appears right now - You could even think a thought if you want to. Now we would
normally say 'I think', 'I had that thought', 'The thought appeared to 'me'. So in this context, what does the
word 'I' point to here? What can you find that is creating the thought?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes, i just told my arm to move and it didnt immediately.
It just sat there. I moved it a little but it wasnt with the thought.
The thought came, then the arm moved after a while.

Xain:
Don't worry about movement for the movement - Just concentrate on thoughts and ideas.

Partridge Fritz:
Ok

Xain:
Imagine an apple - The apple is imaginary - It is 'a thought'. What created it?

Partridge Fritz:
No its not a thought!
Its an image.

Xain:
I understand - Yes - A perception
For the sake of our test though, it's the same thing - We normally say that it is 'created by the mind' - You
can always think of something else. Think about something you want to do or whatever.

Partridge Fritz:
Its only called an "apple"

Xain:
Any thought that appears - What can you find that created it? You normally 'I think', or 'I imagined an apple'
- What is 'I' in this context? What can be found?

Partridge Fritz:
Nothing
It just appears

Xain:
A thought appears, or the apple appears in the imagination. Is there an 'I' here right now that you can find
that created it?

Partridge Fritz:
Not really.
Its not the background.
Thats just an inevitable quality of an image in the mind.

Xain:
Ok - We covered 'I love nature', and we saw that this is just an idea - That there isn't an 'I' that loves
nature. Can you say the same thing for 'I think', or 'I imagined'. The thought or imaginary apple appears, but
there isn't an 'I' responsible for it - It's just an idea - Does that seem fair or does it seem wrong in some

Xain:
We have two phrases 'I love nature' and 'I imagined an apple' - Is it clear to you that both the 'I's in these
phrases can't be found. They are both just ideas or thoughts about what is happening?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes. I is like imaginary.
"I think" seems pretty hollow.

Xain:
Indeed I must go out now - I'll be back in a few hours - Feel free to write anything in the meantime

Partridge Fritz:
Thoughts appear, so who could an I that thought be?
Ok
Thanks!

Xain:
Let's check something else - Maybe something a little more 'close to home'. Right now, these words on the
screen are being seen. Also, they are being 'read' and 'understood'. In normal speaking we would say 'I see',
'I read', 'I understand'. So what 'I' is being referred to here? What can you find? What 'I' is seeing this
text? What 'I' is making sense of these words and forming them into ideas and thoughts? What can you find?

Partridge Fritz:
Hmmm...
Its like a foggy idea, a formality.
I can't really find anything substantial.
Maybe my eyes.

Partridge Fritz:
Wow it really is thought informing after or before the action has occured.
I know thats another subject altogether.

Xain:
Just check 'eyes' - Do you experience a pair of eyes seeing? Obviously there is 'seeing', but can you find a

'thing' here and now that is doing it?

Partridge Fritz:
No. I dont.
Cant find it.
No thing is there.

Xain:
Cool What I want to 'get' is to realise the difference between what is an IDEA of what is happening, and what
you can actually find.
There is nothing wrong with saying 'eyes' see, as an idea - But we don't experience 'eyes' seeing - There is
just 'seeing'. Similarly,some people might say 'the brain sees' - Again, this is an OK idea, but do we
experience 'a brain seeing' - No we don't.

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah totally i follow.

Xain:
Cool - Maybe you could check 'hearing' now - We say 'I hear' - We ask 'What is this 'I' that hears'? Do you
experience (for example) a pair of ears that do the hearing? Look into your experience right now - What can be
found that is 'doing' the hearing? Or is there just 'hearing'?

Partridge Fritz:
There is just 'hearing'.
It is not an occurrence of 'ears' to sound.

Xain:
Examine 'Touch' in a similar way - This is often considered more 'close to home'. If you touched a table or
chair, does the body 'feel' - Is the body doing the fePartridgeng, or is there just fePartridgeng? If you said
'I feel', is there an 'I' here this doing 'feeling'? Or is there just 'feeling'?

Partridge Fritz:
Just feel 'feeling.
Very apparent.

Xain:
Ok - So is it clear to you, that there is no 'I' operating any of the senses - In other words 'I see', 'I
hear', 'I feel' etc are all just thoughts - IDEAS of what is happening - Does that make sense to you>#

Partridge Fritz:
Now that the focus has been directed there, yes.

Xain:
That is interesting - Is there a 'you' directing the focus?
Or does the focus just 'get directed' at to say 'I directed it' is more of a thought / idea of what happened?

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah, its just a description about it.

Xain:
So . . . just consider this question . . . There is a body here. Is it 'you'? Would you say 'this is my body'?

It's not a trick question - Just tell me what your opinion is/

Partridge Fritz:
If its mine, who is the owner?

Xain:
Exactly What makes the body 'you'? What makes this arm 'Yours'. Let me give you a suggestion - It is a thought
/ idea. A thought pops up sying 'This is my body' and that thought/idea is automatically bPartridgeeved in.
But tell me - Consider this - Is there anything more to it than that? Is the only thing that makes this body
'you' is just a thought/an idea that it is?

Xain:
Is there an owner of the body? Can you find one? Can the body own itself?
Or could it simply be just a thought about it - Nothing more than that?

Partridge Fritz:
God maybe.
No apparent owner though.

Xain:
Do you believe in a God?

Partridge Fritz:
Its a word that means a lot of different things.

Xain:
Yes - It doesn't matter really - Just interested.
Do you believe that you do stuff. Do you believe that you type these replies to me on the keyboard?

Partridge Fritz:
It sorta seems like I do.

Xain:
This is now getting more 'close to home'

Partridge Fritz:
Awe

Xain:
Typing replies, we can say, involve two things - Choosing what to type, and then typing the words out
You believe you do both of these things - yes?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes

Xain:
Ok - Now as you type - Examine your experience - If you said 'I am choosing what to type' - What is this 'I'
that is choosing? What can you find?
Also, if you say 'I am controlling the hands and fingers' - Again, what is doing that? What 'I' is here that
controls the hands and fingers?

Partridge Fritz:
Wonder teethbrush flute.
Oh woe!

Xain:
Could it be that it is 'just happening'? Can you find an 'I' that is responsible?
We look for an 'I' that 'sees' - We can't find one. We just find a thought that says so.
We look for an 'I' that 'likes nature' - We can't find one - It's just a thought

Partridge Fritz:
There is some denial, but it could be that its just happening.

Xain:
We look for an 'I' that types - That chooses what to write - We can't find one - We just find a thought that
says so
Sure - No problem about the denial - It goes directly against everything that we are taught to bPartridgeeve
Do 'you' choose the words - Consider it - Are you actually choosing what to say?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes it does.

Xain:
What is this 'you' that chooses to type?
Is this body 'you' anyway? What makes it so?
Did 'you' choose to start talking with me? Or did it 'just happen'?

Partridge Fritz:
It seems like I chose to,
It 'just happened' which is just a description

Xain:
When you say 'I chose' - What is 'I' - Or could it just have 'happened'. Try choosing something now - Anything
- Decide something. Now what is this 'I' that did that? What can be found?

Partridge Fritz:
Choosing an object?

Xain:
Sure - Choosing anything at all. Choosing something to do - Choosing something to eat or drink. Is there an
'I' doing any of the choosing?

Partridge Fritz:
Do I preform the action or just choose it?

Xain:
What 'I'?

Partridge Fritz:
No. There is not an 'I' that is choosing.

Xain:
Any test - If you say 'I chose to do that' - What is 'I'? Is there an 'I' choosing? Or is this just an idea -
A thought? Can you find anything that does the choosing?

Partridge Fritz:
Not really. At the least, its not obvious ic there is.

Xain:
Could it be that everything is automatic. That nothing is 'chosen'?

Partridge Fritz:
If*
It might be true.

Xain:
Do you choose for your heart to beat?

Partridge Fritz:
No.

Xain:
Do you choose to be born?

Partridge Fritz:
No.

Xain:
Did you choose to say 'No' to both of those questions?

Partridge Fritz:
No.

Xain:
:-)

Partridge Fritz:
!

Xain:
Did it 'just happen'?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes.

Xain:
Could it be . . . that it ALL just happens, and that the mind and thought make up stories that there is an 'I'
choosing, deciding, controlling - Could it be just a game that the mind is playing?

Partridge Fritz:
Wow
Yes. That is very possible.

Xain:
There is a body - The mind says 'This body is me'. But that's just the mind saying that.

Partridge Fritz:
Yes.

Xain:
Typing happens - The mind says ' I am typing, I did that' - Again, just a thought - Just the mind saying that

Partridge Fritz:
Yes, it is.

Xain:
And also - The thoughts - Is there an 'I' creating and making the thoughts - Could they be automatic too?

Partridge Fritz:
Could be true.

Xain:
Look into it - I'm not trying to convince you of anything
Is there a 'you' there that I could convince? What would that 'you' be? Or is that just an idea?

Partridge Fritz:
They just happen.

Xain:
Notice that while we are chatting, we are in the realm of 'thought' and ideas
I can say to you to investigate things - To look at things - We assume two side - A 'me' here, and a 'you'
there

Partridge Fritz:
Yes, although it feels very automatic

Xain:
Is there a 'you' there?
Or is that just a thought too?

Partridge Fritz:
Haha! No
Its just a thought.

Xain:
Crazy isn't it
Its just an idea

Partridge Fritz:
Wow
They really do just happen.

Xain:
Yes.

Partridge Fritz:
It is wild.

Xain:
So can we now look even deeper? Have 'you' EVER done anything - Or could it all just be a thought?

Partridge Fritz:
'You' is a thought. They're all descriptions.
I haven't done anything.
Hmmm....
My..

Xain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gKwJerKlMI
Mooji - Just Realized I`m A Fraud - Laugh It Off.
http://www.youtube.com
Calmness of mind is one of the beautiful jewels of wisdom. It is the result of long and patient effort in
self-control. Its presence is an indication of ripe...

Partridge Fritz:
But it FEELS like I have done things.

Xain:
Or is it just an idea?
Is there a 'you' here?
Is Partridge here?

Partridge Fritz:
No.
That mooji video is so funny btw.
I'd love to watch it again but I dont have headphones

Xain:
Yes - it's great
The guy realised it is all in the mind
Just thoughts - Nothing more

Partridge Fritz:
I left them at friends. Just discovered that.
Lol
Mooji's laugh is so funny

Xain:
There is more to look into - Do you have any questions - Any confusion?

Partridge Fritz:
Lately i have had much tension and pressure off and on in the face area.
It is really disabling at times.

Xain:
Is it a medical condition? Have you been to the doctor?

Partridge Fritz:
I dont think so. It seems to be associated with mind investments.

Xain:
Is there a specific thought - A specific problem?

Partridge Fritz:
I have not been to the doctor but I will go if it persists.
A specific thought. Yes, there is!
Not feeling it at the moment btw.

Xain:
Examine the truth of the thought - Is it 'true'?
If the thought contains an 'I', try to work out exactly what that 'I' is - Is it real? Or is it just imaginary

Partridge Fritz:
The thought is always some variation of "I'm not good enough"

Xain:
I understand
But what is this 'I' that isn't good enough?
Is there one?

Partridge Fritz:
Wow yes they are always I thoughts.

Xain:
Are the 'I' thoughts made by 'you'? Are the thoughts 'true'?

Partridge Fritz:
Hmmm... no and pretty sure the second question is no as well.

Xain:
Just look into this with honesty - It is new at the moment. Just consider what we have looked into - Look into
it for yourself whenever you want to

Partridge Fritz:
The other thought is "I'll have to give up everything"

Xain:
Consider just how much the mind creates
I had that one too
Again, what is the 'I' that has to give up anything - Is there such a one?

Partridge Fritz:
No.
There really isnt.

Xain:
Is 'I have to give up everything' anything more than just an idea - A belief - On the other hand, is 'I
don't have to give up everything' anything more than exactly the same thing

Partridge Fritz:
Its just such a odd transparent feeling.


Xain:
Does it really matter?
Yes
There's never been a separate 'you' - It's imaginary
Something exists - Something is reading this sentence - But it can't be found as a separate self, a person, a
'Partridge'

Partridge Fritz:
Oh!
Yeah
With no I, it is the same. Don't have to give up everything.
Its just a description


Xain:
Yes - There's no individual 'you' to do anything
The pressure is completely off

Partridge Fritz:
But life looks pretty unputogether.

Xain:
How do you mean?

Partridge Fritz:
Things seem out of whack.
But its not happening to an 'I'
wow this brings great relief.

Xain:
Yes
All that mental effort

Partridge Fritz:
If its not happening to an I.... then its not really happening.

Xain:
Everything is 'just happening'

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah, its just life.

Xain:
Well, you could probe deeper - There is still more to look at

Partridge Fritz:
Sure. Feeling light.

Xain:
The main thing is to realise how the mind operates - To see that every instance of 'I' is just a thought. No
'I' in the future - No 'I' in the past - No 'I' right now. ALL of it, just thoughts which are believed in . .
. until they are seen as 'just thoughts' - Then not believed in any more
But there is nothing really wrong with such thoughts - I can say 'I am going to make a cup of coffee' - It's
just an idea - Nothing wrong with it. But it is realised to be nothing more than that - Just an idea

Partridge Fritz:
Wait, how could i not be a thought? Its just a letter.

Xain:
Sure - A concept

Partridge Fritz:
Awe, okay. So its okay. The "I" is not a problem.

Xain:
No - Not a problem at all. Is there a separate self which it would be a problem for?
Do 'you' have any actual problems? Or are they thoughts too? Nothing wrong with them . . .. but just thoughts

Partridge Fritz:
Wow no. Yes!
Just describing.
'Problem' is just a thought.
A word.

Xain:
Yes
'I' is also a thought - Just like 'problem' - Do you see?
So 'I have a problem' can be considered as a thought about a thought

Partridge Fritz:
Aha!
Maybe its the singleness of the I.
If it were a three letter word. Then it might be easier to see as a thought.

Xain:
Perhaps

Partridge Fritz:
But... that doesn't matter. Just a thought.
I cant recall our past sentences even.

Xain:
'This thought is a problem' is a thought about a thought
The thought doesn't belong to anyone - It wasn't created by anyone - The 'I' in the thought isn't real - It's
all a big joke

Partridge Fritz:
But how can something arise and not be a created thing?
That is the most perplexing mystery.

Xain:
The mind likes puzzles - It is how the mind operates
If something appears, the mind assumes it was created by something

Partridge Fritz:
Oh.

Xain:
This is the start of all monotheistic religions - Not that there is anything wrong with them at all

Partridge Fritz:
Hmmm.... yeah I can see how this is... a conundrum.

Xain:
People look at the world - They assume it was created by something - They say that is 'God'
As you say, a very misused word
Belief in a god isn't a problem

Partridge Fritz:
I used to be in church and sometimes i imagine that ive lost my way or something. Thats a painful belief.

Xain:
I understand
There isn't a 'you' to lose you way - There never has been - Just the idea of one

Partridge Fritz:
But there was no 'I' there.

Xain:
Yup - Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts

Partridge Fritz:
The 'I' thought itself up.

Xain:
You could say that life is perfect - It is exactly as it should be - Only a thought appearing would say
otherwise - A thought arguing that things should be different than the way they are

Partridge Fritz:
Well yes.
I studied byron katie.
Familiar with this idea

Xain:
But things couldn't be different - There's never been a 'you' to affect anything or change anything - Or to go

in a different direction - Where 'you' are (if you like) is exactly where you should be
Yes - Byron Katie - The work - Excellent
Maybe now you see it all from a slightly different perspective

Partridge Fritz:
Yes, that is helping.

Xain:
What is happening now is perfect - Wherever and whatever you are doing is perfect - It couldn't have been
different

Partridge Fritz:
Elaborations confuse.

Xain:
It's pretty new - Let it sink in

Partridge Fritz:
Oh what you said was not an elaboration.
I'm referring to the complexities of theology.

Xain:
Yes - It can get a little bit twisted - As science and moral progress, making the Bible work and consistent
with everything seems increasingly difficult

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah.
Luckily i was not raised religious.
Just jumped in out of curiousity for a year or so.
I dont know what I said luckily.

Xain:
Me neither - I rejected all forms of religion when I was about 13 and spent quite a number of years arguing
against all forms of religion. I have stopped doing that now. I see nothing wrong with them. I see
nothing wrong with people who believe

Partridge Fritz:
Believers. Lol
Yeah, I dont have a problem with them either.
I just wish my life were a little less chaotic.
Everything seems so completely up in the air.

Xain:
It may become smoother - The more this realisation sinks in Or perhaps, the chaos will be easier to manage and
to see that it's OK

Partridge Fritz:
Both have happened.
First step managing the chaos. Ie just being totally okay with it.

Xain:
Yes

Partridge Fritz:
Theres so much "why dont I get to have ______?" Thoughts happening.

Xain:
Sure - Thoughts may continue to come up

Partridge Fritz:
I've been so giving and helpful all my life, why this?

Xain:
They may diminish in time - Just examine each thought - Look at it honestly and without judgement

Partridge Fritz:
Ok

Xain:
Perhaps this is the moment it all starts to come together!

Partridge Fritz:
Perhaps.

Xain:
And think - It just happened
This conversation wasn't chosen

Partridge Fritz:
True.

Xain:
I didn't choose to speak with you

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah, wonder whats about to unfold.

Xain:
It 'just happened'
It's all a mystery - Enjoy the ride

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah.
It really is.
I will.

Xain:
The more you look into these things, the more you go 'Wow! WTF!'

Partridge Fritz:
Yeah, starting to see how it breaks down.

Xain:
Mooji says that realisation that there is no separate self, is like an Ice Cube being dropped into water
Slowly, slowly the ice cube melts

Partridge Fritz:
Slowly.

Xain:
Might take some time . . . but maybe the melting has just begun

Partridge Fritz:
Oh my I would be surprised if that were true.

Xain:
Who knows? See what happens

Partridge Fritz:
Ok

Xain:
I'm here if you have questions or confusion - Or not - Up to you

Partridge Fritz:
Thank you.

Partridge Fritz:
Wow many tears came.
Today

Xain:
Same for me - Indescribable Changes everything . .. and yet . .. changes nothing
I am a member of LU - As part of our process, we have a further six questions at the end which may further
assist you. Have you realised that there is no separate self, no 'I' here - Nor has ever been? Would you like
to try the further questions?

Partridge Fritz:
Sure what are the further questions?
The no 'I' experience is more palpable seeming now.

Xain:
I'll ask them one by one - It might be going over old ground, but give them a go. They might reveal other

things we can look at

Partridge Fritz:
Ok cool

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Re: Guiding thread for 'Partridge Fritz'

Postby Xain » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:06 pm

Xain:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?


Partridge Fritz:
Only as a thought.
No, never. Memories appear here to be in the 3rd person.

Xain:
2) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started the chat with
me? Please report from the past few days.


Partridge Fritz:
Not as much a feeling as a release of struggle around feeling a particular way. Sensations pass quickly. It
feels transparent.
Before there was a feeling like the 'I' was a real thing.
Like it needed to be stopped or killed or something.
Now entire "scenes" flash by.
But the fear of losing control has loosened immensely.
A fixed point, is not findable.

Xain:
Was there ever anything IN control

Partridge Fritz:
Not really.
Although, that one is still iffy.

Xain:
How so? Where is the uncertainty?

Partridge Fritz:
That all this could arise without control, is perplexing.
And somehow be stable enough to last.
Hmmm...

Xain:
Does anything last?

Partridge Fritz:
Only that which has no name.
Words appear to have a sort of constancy.

Xain:
Could I maybe rephrase that to also mean 'that which isn't a thought' or 'doesn't appear in the mind'?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes yes

Xain:
There is more to look at in this area - Maybe for a later time.

Partridge Fritz:
Ok

Xain:
Is it clear that there is no 'I' in control right now? Is it then clear that there has never been an 'I', a
separate self in control?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes.

Xain:
3) Was there a specific point that made you look and realise - Maybe something I said or
something that you considered?


Partridge Fritz:
Yes. It was when you said Look.
See if you can find it.
It was clear this time what was meant by that.

Xain:
And what happened? What was realised?

Partridge Fritz:
That there is only body (senses) and mind (thoughts)

Xain:
Is the body 'you'? Are the senses 'yours'?

Partridge Fritz:
The space is only recognized when looking is relaxed yet attentive. And doesn't have to be long.
No, they are just labels.
Owned by nobody.
Looking to all the senses, then seeing the place where thoughts just happen. The space is naturally seen.

Xain:
Great, Partridge - Ok, here's an interesting one - Feel free to refer to what you have learnt or been told
about this if you need to - It's a more open question.

Partridge Fritz:
Ok

Xain:
4) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works
from your own experience. Describe it fully as you understand it now after your own realisation.


Partridge Fritz:
It is a suspicion that there is a thinking source. A belief that thoughts inform accurately and come from a
body. It is the labelling/describing of things thought to be their actuality. It starts when language is seen
to be more than just words/thoughts. It arises with the investment in not what is called 'body' but thoughts
of 'body' in a 'world. The idea itself.

Partridge Fritz:
In my experience it is a second layer over what is suggesting that what is not should be.
It starts as an idea of choosing based out of beliefs.
Choosing with the assumption that there is one who chooses and one who carries out the choice.
It is a bundle of thoughts that imagine a context of controlling themselves.

Xain:
Nice

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience if you can showing how it works (or
doesn't work).


Partridge Fritz:
It's seeming really difficult to describe decision.
Lol

Xain:
There is no rush - Just writes what you feel

Partridge Fritz:
Decision is the ruling out of various imagined choices that lead to a finalized action.

Xain:
It is a 'big' consideration to realise that there are no choices or decisions being made . .. and never were.
Can you see, though, that it is the mind and thought saying that there ARE choices being made - Life continues
on perfectly

Partridge Fritz:
Yes. I see now.

Xain:
Who or what is choosing and deciding what to write in reply to my questions?

Partridge Fritz:
Good question.
I am not sure I can answer that one.

Xain:
Did you have a choice to say that?

Partridge Fritz:
There are thoughts that hint at a possibility that I did but no. Its imagined choice.
So no.

Xain:
There might be thoughts saying 'I am responsible for such-and-such' but with the realisation, is there a 'you'
responsible for anything?

Partridge Fritz:
No.

Xain:
And on the other hand, is there anything wrong with the thoughts that there is a 'you' that is responsible for
things?
Are they 'bad'?

Partridge Fritz:
Actually no. It's fine.

Xain:
Yup

Partridge Fritz:
My own mind is in disbelief.

Xain:
6) Anything to add?

Partridge Fritz:
You mean just any other thoughts about all of this?

Xain:
Sure - Anything at all

Partridge Fritz:
This is pretty cool, not sure why I always imagined it would be something more than this.
I will continue examining the 'I' as it arises.

Xain:
You feel it's just too simple It's Ok. It's new to you - Yes, each time 'I' arises look at it - I did this
many times after my own 'realisation' - It will sink in more and more

Partridge Fritz:
Earlier today I dialogued in a similar way we have, as if I was 2 people.
There was a great deal of insight there.

Xain:
Would you like to join LU? It's a group filled with 'others' who have realised the same thing - I think XXXXXXXX is a member (as am I). It's entirely up to you. I found it helped just being able to speak with other
people who understand this and have come to this realisation.

Partridge Fritz:
Yes. I would like that.

Xain:
What I will do is pass our conversation over to other guides who will then look at it and (hopefully) confirm
you have realised. Is that OK?

Partridge Fritz:
Yes
That is fine.

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Re: Guiding thread for 'Partridge Fritz'

Postby Xain » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:26 pm

Xain:
A question - When I said 'Does anything last', and you mentioned 'Only that which has no name' - What did you mean?
Is there something 'that has no name' that controls things or makes choices?
How would you know?

Partridge Fritz:
I wouldn't because if I cannot name it I cannot see which means I cannot verify its existence as anything more than 'thing with no name'
That isn't anything verifiable.
So there's really no way I could know.

Xain:
Is there anything in control? Or perhaps more specifically, can you find anything that makes certain that 'there is control' other than a thought appearing saying so?

Partridge Fritz
No. I can't.

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Re: Guiding thread for 'Partridge Fritz'

Postby Xain » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:59 am

Xain:
Is there anything in control? Or perhaps more specifically, can you find anything that makes certain that 'there is control' other than a thought appearing saying so?

Partridge Fritz
No. I can't.

Xain:
What do you mean by 'Only that which has no name' when asked 'Does anything last?'
Can you be specific or give an example?
Also, about choice . . .
Is there a chooser? Has there ever been?

Partridge Fritz
There are still a couple of activities the body/mind engage in that are painful when control is imagined, and they do not appear to be stoppable. At least not at this time.
To answer your questions to the best of my ability:
In a way the 'wordless' lasts, but in another it does not. It is not a time based reality. Therefore has no duration.
All words that point to it, like 'awareness', 'presence' are only signifiers. They are just thoughts.
It can only be referred to in metaphor, like 'the infinite sun' or 'fragrance of god'
What lies behind them is really 'nothing' and as of yet I can not find anything other than concepts attempting to describe reality.

Is there a chooser?
No. Just what appears to action happening. But there is no separate chooser.
No. There has never been a separate chooser. Just a suggestion of one.

Xain:
Great reply - Thank you.

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Re: Guiding thread for 'Partridge Fritz'

Postby Xain » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:03 pm

Xain:
A few questions from other people regarding our previous conversation - Have a go at answering from your understanding as you see things now when you have a moment.
1) Was and is there anything in control?
2) When you say: "There are still a couple of activities the body/mind engage in that are painful when control is imagined, and they do not appear to be stoppable. At least not at this time." Can this be explained?
3) How do you see these activities 'being stopped'?

Partridge Fritz:
There was nothing in control. There is nothing in control.

Xain:
Thanks - How about the activities you mentioned?

Partridge Fritz:
The appearance that is interpreted is seen as being undesirable based on a loose memory of a less sensation aware experience.
Although have noticed with each passing day all interest in past 'addictive' patterns is falling off.
As the 'I' has been significantly diminished.
It's importance in the experience.

Xain:
'I' has been diminished? Do you mean the attachment to the thought? Perhaps the thought no-longer has 'energy' - Is that what you mean?

Partridge Fritz:
Answer to 3 - The activities can not be stopped.
The 'I' thought has very little significance.
Whatever was bound up with it is now being expelled.
Like a melting ice cube


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