How is it known that the eyes see? What is actually known right now about eyes, except thought about them? Can you find anything that is witnessing the eyes actually seeing and can you find anything behind the eyes that are seeing?
Thought says that the foot is ‘down there’. So presumably you are above your foot. Where are you? Sit quietly, close your eyes, take a few breaths and locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?
Funnily enough if I was to point to anywhere it would probably be to the space directly behind my head. If my eyes are the windscreen onto the world (?) and my brain behind them is the engine room processing that data, then I feel I am something behind those things, prior to those things
Can you actually see the back of the eyes where the image comes from?
Look at whatever is in front of you. Is it seen from the perspective of two windows (eyes), or is it like a windscreen view? Now zoom back in and try to find the thing that’s seeing. Is seeing separate from what’s seen, or is there just what’s seen? Is there any awareness separate from experience or is there just experience?
Let’s look at the idea of a brain
The human brain weighs about 3 pounds and is made up of 60% fat and 75% water. It contains 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synapses, trillions of axons, and 500 billion glial cells. It allows you to see, to hear, to taste, to smell, and to feel. It is the reason that experience exists, or...
... is all of that just a very elaborate story?
Look at experience as it actually is right now...
Can you actually find the 3 pounds of grey matter in experience right now?
Can you actually find the 100 billion neurons in experience right now?
Can you actually find 100 trillion synapses in experience right now?
Can you actually find trillions of axons in experience right now?
Can you actually find 500 billion glial cells in experience right now?
Can you actually find the connection between the brain and colours, sounds, smells, sensations etc that you are aware of right now?
And if you cannot find ANY of these things, what else could they be but a story told by thought?
Experience is undeniably real, but the brain is just a tale told by a storyteller (thought) that doesn't even know that it's speaking…a storyteller that isn't aware of anything and doesn't even know that it exists.
Yes, nice :) Since there is no thinker of thought, no controller, decider or chooser…then can there anyone/anything that is responsible for anything?
Nope. But surely it is equally true to say there is nothing for anyone to be responsible for. No-one to take responsibility and nothing that needs a culprit.
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
With the eyes closed the ACTUAL experience of the body is only sensation. A sensation not grounded anywhere but floating. Not contained within anything. Not attached to anything. Just sensation.
The actual experience of the body is thought.
The label ‘body’ is AE of thought and not AE of a body
Sensation labelled ‘body’ is AE of sensation and not AE of a body
Image labelled ‘body’ is AE of colour and not AE of a body.
Thoughts ABOUT a body (thought content) is AE of thought and not AE of a body.
What is known is label + sensation + colour + thoughts…but a body is not known…only thoughts about a body are known.
Can you see this?
The word/label 'body' just refers to thought. The label 'body' is AE of thought not AE of body.
Yes…the word/label ‘body’ refers to thought and nothing else.
And of what I am picking up is that at least part of the purpose of this exercise may be to show clearly that I am not the body, particularly. And that the body doesn't contain me. It isn't a vessel. What I think of as the body is just sensation (which isn't even in the body) and colour, which blends with other colours.
THIS/experience itself is not contained by anything, nor is it a container of ‘things’.
Going back to the "Where am I located?" exercise. It got me thinking about me & experience. And one of the problems I keep having is when we say experience, I guess I am stuck to human experience in terms of my understanding of it. So that just reinforces the me instead of seeing though it. But it is not 'me' who is experiencing, surely. I am not the experiencer.
How can a ‘me’ be experiencing anything? Where is this ‘me’ exactly when you look?
The word "experienced" is the past tense of the VERB "to experience", so it obviously implies that something DID the experiencing.
‘ExperiencING’ is a verb.
No verbs could point to what actually IS. Verbs point only to THOUGHTS ABOUT what actually IS.
‘ExperiencING’ (or any verbs) is just a BELIEF.
A belief about TIME.
There is ZERO actual experience of ‘experiencING’.
There is ZERO actual experience of any verb!
There is no such thing as ‘experiencING’, just as there is no such thing as ‘happenING, or ‘seeING’, or ‘knowING’, etc.
So, let’s look at verbs in general. Let’s take a verb ‘experiencING’. For ‘experiencing’ there should be:
1. a separate thing (person = body) an 'experiencER', that is doing or having the ACT of ‘experiencing’
2. a separate thing, an object that is being experienced
3. the ACTION of ‘experiencing’ (as an interACTION between #1 and #2)
4. TIME in which the 'action of ‘experiencing’ unfolds
Without these 4 elements there is NO VERB.
All verbs based on the assumption of the existence of these 4 elements.
Is this clear?
Experience = thoughtsmelltastesensationcoloursound. It does not refer to what thought labels as ‘life’s experiences’. We are talking about the RAW EXPERIENCE of sound, colour etc.
In the same way if I said "I am experience", that would be a false statement. That implies someone. But even if you say there just is experience, that somehow feels inadequate to me to. Because that feels like a thing. Reading this back it all sounds a bit blahblah, but I think it is an important hurdle I have to get over.
And is this ‘feeling’ and actual sensation or simply a thought/idea? We still have to use language as a means to point and to understand. I DO not exist and the I DOES not exist are very different!
And what is self-aware if not you and we are not talking about the seeming character John here?
And when you say "they are known because they are THIS/experience itself…appearing exactly as it is, and THIS is self aware" that is probably a better way to put it. That everything is a unified whole which is self aware.
So the body’s eyes don’t see. There are no eyes…that is a concept. However, there is ‘seeing’ and what is seen is that which is seeing….the seen is seen by the seeing…they are one and the same. So a red clock is seen (known) as colour, as is the thought ‘red’ and ‘clock’ are seen (known). Thought is also seen, as what is seeing the seen are one and the same. So the story about the clock and what it is, is seen/known… but the story in and of itself of what clock is and does is meaningless. The colour and thought are pointers to the seeingseen aka knowingknown aka experience itself, that seems to be appearing as a clock and thought.
The knowing and the known are not two things. You do hear people who see this properly talking about the difficulty and inadequacy of language and I am sure that is the case. And that the fundamental truths are not explainable as well as unknowable (or rather understandable). I guess you just feel it.
It’s a knowing not a feeling. There is no other way of putting it.