Once and for all.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:00 pm

"When you look for Joshua, a person, what do you find?"

No person, unless names,labels, stories and thoughts and beliefs somehow solidify in to an entity, but that's abstract. They point to no one, they just are.
"How is Joshua experienced?"
Experienced... just as whats happening and anything else that identifies with a me is just conditioned habit.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Ilona » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:53 am

nice!
so can you say, with a big fat YES, it is clear that i, the separate entity is a mind created illusion?
if no, what is in the way of that YES?

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:03 pm

There are questions based on concept, like the concept of a soul. But its mainly conjecture. There was this experience a few times where I (not as mind, but a very physical feeling, seeing experience) was out of body floating around.. and the flesh and bone body was laying on the bed. That still seems like something other than a mind created illusion. It was still an experience happening as part of the dream scape.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:27 pm

Anyway, I've spent a lot of time dancing around with questions like that. Its not important. From what is seen and experienced here, and now, YES the separate entity is Indeed a mind created illusion.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:28 pm

It is clear.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:42 pm

Least that's my take. But a friend said to me today- "if yu were seeing and living what you just wrote the questions (about soul) would be GONE". :( This is disturbing and frustrating. Frustration or doubt over whether this is seen clearly.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:25 pm

are you a soul living in the body having an experience? Are there other souls driving other bodies? How many sounds are there?

How many separate entities are there? How do you know? What informs about that?

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:24 pm

Nothing in direct experience informs of separate entities or how many. I cannot see souls driving other bodies.
Nothing informs of a soul living in the body having an experience.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:31 am

And since you said earlier..."Good stuff, Joshua. Ego identity, what is that in your understanding?"

And my answer was- Ego identity is no different than the I , me separate self as I see it. Just another label for that conditioned construct. Ego has been thought of as defensive, and envisioned as being somewhere in the back of the brain. envisioned as a fried egg..lol. But in looking its not there like the rest. only in concept and acting on concept and belief.

Thank you for helping Ilona <3

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Ilona » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:03 am

yes, ego is another label on behavioral patterns. if you replace word ego with word character, then it's not so negative anymore. character does not change as a result of seeing through illusion of self. it's seen that there is no one here to own the character. life goes on as it did.

what awakens? is there a gate to cross? is there an i that can or can not cross it?

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:32 pm

"what awakens? is there a gate to cross? is there an i that can or can not cross it?"

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:09 pm

oops. Didn't use that quote function properly.
anyway - "What awakens?" Nothing, no one, no thing, awakens.. awakeness is awake .


"is there a gate to cross?"

No gate really. Its just a pointer.

"Is there an i that can or cannot cross it?"

There is no 'I' to cross or not cross a gate.

Ilona, There's this thing that happens with doubting, and needing to give the "right" answer, and fear of getting it "wrong". There was some deliberation with the first two questions, but those answers feel right.
Since there is no one, no I, no person, then there is ONLY awakeness being awake.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Ilona » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:51 am

The right answer is the one that comes from seeing, as description of what is being seen.
Awareness being awake? Take the words awakeness and awake away and you arrive at simply being.

Is there a choise to be or not to be?


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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Joshua » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:11 pm

There is no choice to be. There is no chooser. Just being.
A choice could be made to end the life of the body.. but that's just choosing happening.

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Re: Once and for all.

Postby Ilona » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:45 pm

Nice. How does it feel to see this?
Do you notice any difference in ordinary everyday life? What hasn't changed at all?
Is the seeking still on full or it's diminishing?

Write more, give us a rant.

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