All of this (about the body) i am finding the hardest to answer as i feel that i only know it conceptually and not 'wholly' yet. You are right- i do connect 'Charlie' with the body. I think part of the issue maybe that i have had a very long and intense sporting career in which i have tuned into the body massively over 25 years. I personally can feel most sensations in most places of the body and allot of the time i can feel the blood running around so i get a huge amount of sensation from the body whether i want it or not. I can sit and conceptually know that i am not the body but the sensations are so strong and ever present that it is hard to not 'feel' that this is Charlie.One quick more question, later maybe more:
You say me referring to your entire body.
Are you the body?
I say me only referring to my entire body. I know there is no fixed Charles inside this body or outside of it.
Arent you making the body a sort of "new I" by that, separate from the rest of the world?
I reread our thread (maybe you do too, and see if there still are issues unmet!) and somewhere I saw this:
Interestingly i don't connect the 'I' with whats in my head but more about this body i have called Charlie for so long.
As we have seen the body is just a concept, made by thought out of sensations of pressure, maybe pain.
If you are healthy you don't even feel the body, except for when hungry, thirsty etc.
What we call our own head is only be seen in mirrors, except for the tip of what should be the nose.
Isn't that true?
Yes i get this. The thoughts now come and go quite happily and i know that the mind and thoughts are not Charlie. On the thought subject- i wonder if my connecting the body with an 'I' is sub-conscious? and that's why i get this vague sense that i am the body and that the body is Charles? Can i ask- what is the thinking about very quiet and almost imperceptible sub conscious thoughts and drives? I know this is thinking but the question keeps coming up for me.You made a distinction here between moments of pondering and moments of direct experience.
Direct Experience is what is noticed, here and now. (http://liberationunleashed.com/articles ... xperience/). So If there are thoughts there is just experiencing thoughts.
There is nothing wrong with experiencing thoughts, even "I"-thoughts: That is, a as long as you don't believe the content as real!! It is important to be able to distinguish between sensation and the thoughts and mental images that mostly are trying to interpret and assign meaning, but never really succeed.
Can you see this?
Yes i get that. Strangely as i wrote that to you a few days ago it sunk in and i knew it as i wrote it lol.Thoughts come and go. "Use" them whenever needed, discard them if you don't. But isn't this automatically so?
You only think you have to decide what to do with thought, so thought again.Isn't that true?
As the days have passed since i read this from you i have been keeping an eye on decision making and it does seem that decisions just happen. This made me feel a bit depressed a few days ago hence the quote 'feels like a mouse on a wheel' but I'm letting go of that now and there seems to be a nice flow developing where decisions are sort of just witnessed and the resulting actions just witnessed.Maybe you never did choose anything, because there is no I to do that?
Again you your body does the it! Have a close look at that.
Plans are made. Period. The body isn't doing that!
I am having an ever deepening experience of, as you say- ''All just happens''. I feel a bit like i am surfing at the moment.All just happens.
Thinking will never understand. What IS, is beyond thinking, thats why.
Let the mind do his thing now and then, and just relax. Aint that easy?
Please excuse me if i take a few days to answer your posts but the last few posts you have made have blown 'me', 'my' perception and 'self' very strongly here and there. Everything is changing at the moment everyday and so much seems to be 'opening up'. The sense of space, smoothness, letting go and space opening up has been very profound. I could sum up what the last few days have felt like by saying- letting go is happening.
I thank all that have helped 'me' (this) so far- Thank you.