DC10 let's do it!

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby Ilona » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:15 pm

it's not off toppic at all. this story is here as a natural flow of things. great to hear that there is 'nobody home' to get upset.. this is great. all that does not serve anymore is starting to fall off. all that is true is falling into place. trust that. I call this process Falling. there is nothing to hold on and no one to hold on. all is just happening.

thank you for sharing. now back to questions.
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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby DC10 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:35 pm

Tell me, what can be known 100% present. Look at thoughts and notice, thoughts are real, the content- isn't.


What can be known 100% is that our life is made of thoughts and you do not have to believe them. I've noticed that a LOT today as I really paid attention since I've sort of had that "breakthrough" yesterday that I talked to you about.

Everytime something came up, for instance...."why did my girl break-up? Did I do something wrong? Why did this happen?" When I step back and look at those feelings and what is behind them, I find they are nothing but thoughts. Completely made up in my head, from who knows where? It takes the personal sting out of them immediately. Things "happened". Just like how the sun came out today, then it rained a bit. No difference. I'm a little disheveled as I don't know why I don't feel any connection to the pain, this is very new.

Yes, thoughts are real....you can't deny that, as they constantly come and go. It's when we create the stories around the content and believe them that the stories seem real. We give them their life. It seems I've been spending my entire life believing in a lie....a fiction....a "woe is me sad story". (at least that's "my" story....and I'm not sticking to it!)


And yes, what is behind that fear?


I'm afraid of losing the "progress" that I've "seemingly" made. I feel I'm "really getting it" this time and my fear is that i'll somehow slip back.....maybe for no reason or something perceived as "bad" or "upsetting" will happen and I'll revert back to the "poor me" story. I don't want that. I don't want to go back there. ( I know there is really no 'where' to go, but I'm sure you know what I mean.)

I somehow feel "safe" here in this forum talking with you and like minded people, but "out there" in the world, I want to still live from the place of "no body home". I'm hoping this forum has a support type system in place in case of slipping back.....Do you ever slip back once you feel you really "know it" Ilona??? Does it stay?


Allow that fear to just be here. Is there a you to even allow it?


When I allow the fear to be there, it goes right to your second sentence. I feel there is not a me to even allow it. Right now I feel so secure in my "knowing". I don't have to do anything. It's right here, where it's always been. Sometimes I find myself laughing out loud at how obvious it is. (I am right now...).....Still........I have the little devil on my shoulder that whispers that this won't last. Actually, that's not completely true....the little devil is NOT there whispering doubts in my ear, but I "imagine" that he is going to show up at some point. Maybe this is the remnant of "me" trying to hold on? Could that be it?


Notice how all is just happening. Trusting this process is surrendering.



That's exactly what I need to do. Trust. Trust this process. (which I do!) I told a friend of mine today that I've made more progress in knowing who I really am in the past week, than I have in over 25 years of meditating. I don't say that lightly, as I love my meditation. I still do.....in fact, my meditation is even better without "me". It's much deeper and not giving my thoughts the attention they want makes it much more efficient as well.

Where do I go from here, Ilona? How do I trust more? Just by "trusting" I take it? How can I be sure this is real and is going to stay? There a lingering doubt of this lasting way back in the dark corner of my conditioned mind.

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby Ilona » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:58 am

You are right here, looking at it. Now just a final push.
Look for yourself, is it true, that there is no 'me'? Let the truth be revealed.


Once you find out that Santa is not real, can you believe that it is ever again?
Doubt can come up and it does. But what has berm seen, can never be unseen. And yes we gave aftercare group on Facebook. :)

So... how does it feel to be liberated?

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby DC10 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:02 am

Look for yourself, is it true, that there is no 'me'? Let the truth be revealed


Of course there is not a real "me".....right now, that sound ridiculous.....i mean, what would a real "me" look like???? Santa Claus is a great analogy. Once you "know" he's not real, how could you believe in him again? You would not be sincere if you said you did.....How could there possibly be a me? When you look at it in the right way, right between the eyes, no religion, no beliefs, no bullshit...where is it? It is NOT. I Am NOT. Yet I am everything. No separation. I'm saying things I've read but never believed or "got", but now I don't have to believe, because i fucking (sorry) KNOW.

How did you come up with this "direct way" of guiding people.....why does it sometime take Zen people as well as others YEARS AND YEARS to get this???? I know why it took me....but what about people who have "given their life" to their "Masters", for what? For promises of Liberation.....always an arm's length away? What do you do that is so different. I've always heard that when you finally "get it", don't be surprised that- "Nothing changes, but in the way you look at the world, everything changes."


so how des it feel to be liberated?

Just like that last statement. My bills are still there, I'm still by myself, I still live where I live, my job is the same.,.....yet, I "see" it all from a completely different view. Why aren't I feeling the same sadness and self-pity? I don't get it....it HAS to be that I've finally realized that there is NO ME to feel that way. I feel light and sort of care free.....it may sound strange, but I don't really care or feel "personally connected" to whatever comes. Whatever comes, comes. The End. I don't control life. Who the hell am I to think that I can control anything that happens? Are you kidding me? I don't have and don't want that kind of power.

I think that if I re-read any of the classic "real" texts, Tao De Ching, Ramana Maharshi, I feel that instead of being lost, I could actually "understand" what they were talking about. This is life altering, Ilona.......I have to ask again......will this "stick"......do I need, as you say, "after-care".....I couldn't bear to lose this freedom, maybe I can't.....it's too new, I don't really know......what do you recommend I do? I would love to help people once I am "stablized".......How can you not pay forward what you have "shown"???

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby Ilona » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:17 am

Thank you! Your answer is really touching.
What us different what I do? I make you look for yourself. That's enough to break the wall of believing what somebody else says. One look and it's over.

Yes, we have an amazing aftercare group and it REALLY helps to speak to people who went through the same. Because doubt comes up. It takes time to settle, rebalance the system so it can run smooth.
Nothing to fear about, nothing to loose. It's a period of falling...


So for the end of this conversation can you answer these few questions:
Is there a you in any shape or form at all?
What was that last push for you?
What is this 'self' and how does it work?
What would you say to somebody who came to this for first tome and never heard about it.

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby DC10 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:54 pm

I make you look for yourself. That's enough to break the wall of believing what somebody else says. One look and it's over.

Of course! Any one truly liberated through the ages have always said things like, "it's closer than your breath", "you already are, but don't know it".....I have to say, and this is only "my" opinion, but having someone there who "knows" to guide you, makes all the difference in the world. Yes, you have to look for yourself, but having someone "point" out where to look and what look for is the difference.....at least to "me" (not).

On a side note, my depression has lifted. This is a sort of therapy, maybe another facet of what you do?




Is there a you in any shape or form at all?

No, and I see there never was. And life runs much better and more smoothly without "me" in the way. I "thought" there was. Now I've "seen" through that illusion. There's really nothing to add.


What was that last push for you?

Sort of early on, when you asked "is there a witness? or is it witnessing happening?", I gave you answer that I really didn't know, I said something like, "it seems like there is both".

Then you, not letting me off the hook that easily, said, "is it just a thought passing by, I am witnessing... Can I do anything?" That was when it all really "hit" me and I "knew" I was really getting it, for the first time. At that point it all seems so obvious, it was almost funny...

Maybe the final push was when I allowed the fear to be there, and realized that no, there isn't a "me" to allow the fear.....then it got very funny as it was so completely obvious and so simple, obviously simple enough to overlook after a lifetime of seeking.


What is this 'self' and how does it work?

The 'self' is a bundle of conditioning from parents, school, friends, society that tell you 'who' you are, what to believe and very soon on, you do. When you believe your thoughts, both good and bad, you create the 'self", with all it's fears, insecurities, as well as "i'm better than everyone else at....whatever". This 'self", when believed, runs your life, controls your actions and decisions.....when the truth is, only when you 'let go' of the 'self' are you TRULY in control. By "control", I mean you allow things to happen as they do, you don't try to control anything, you're not 'controlled". You don't take life's 'events' personally. It wants you to believe it's protecting you by feeding off your fear......and let's face it, there's enough fear to go around for everyone, if you choose to believe it. Anthing that happens in nature is not personal.....anthing that happens in Life is not personal. Why should it be any different? Because of "self" and "thoughts".




What would you say to somebody who came to this for first time and never heard about it.

What I've already told my best friend. If you're still searching, you need to go to this site, or Marked Eternal first, read the work she is doing there.....go over the Start Here page and answer the questions yourself. It doesn't cost a thing. That's a big plus, when you see there is no money 'scam' thing going on.

Give it a chance. You've got nothing to lose (except you!), which I do not say at first....I just tell them that I've found an inner peace and in this short time I've seen how life can just 'flow', if you get 'you' out of the way and just let it.

I hope I've answered that question in the way you were asking, Ilona....I wasn't really sure.

I feel really good....a little nervous, as I said of "back-sliding".....I want to tell people, but most of my friends would not really understand, I don't believe.

All I can say is thank you very much!

Where do 'I' go from here?

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby Ilona » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:36 pm

this is just perfect! i'm delighted for you. I love your clarity. i'm feeling lots of appreciation here.



please join our facebook group and stick around. there will be questions and doubts and all other stuff as part of falling. but you are through and from now on, life get's intersting. :)

Thank you for sending your friend here. It's a real peasure to assist in this. if you get intersted in learnign some tips on guiding, you are very welcome to join our team. It's not magic.

but for now, just rest, let it settle. Enjoy the ride!! woo hoo!

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby DC10 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:25 pm

Thank you Ilona! You were great, and please feel free to use our talk on any of your sites!!

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Re: DC10 let's do it!

Postby Ilona » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:38 pm

thank you. You are blue now :)


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