shit. i almost feel embarrassed now that i seem to have got the trick that is too straight-forward to be called a trick. it's not just a retreat from error, it's a retreat from complication.
This is incredibly straightforward when you look and don't get lost in the mind trying to figure it out, because you won't.
what's the cringing from, whose does it belong to? a 'get over yourself' would work well for me here, because clearly it's a program from the thought-self, which is shown, as i look into it, to be a shadow puppet.
Exactly, a shadow puppet. Is it you?
how often to i have to look at this shell i've always taken myself for, to know that i am never going to mistake it again for a me? it's not like there's a big effort to see it. it's a split-second reminder.
Once you've truly seen this, you never have to remind yourself. Identification is broken, you can see it's a fictitious entity and was never you in the first place. Once you see the pattern, you can't un-see it.
Could you believe in Santa now, even if you wanted to?
and language here is going to start sounding ridiculous - how do 'i' not mistake it for 'me'?
Stop labeling this. What's looking?
whatever, 'i' can do all it wants, it wont change a thing in reality.
Exactly. It doesn't stop being true because you don't believe in it. True is without any belief. All we're doing is looking at reality. Stripping life of mystery and seeing what's real.
is there a time to develop this?
What do you mean develop this?
how did you do it?
does it still throw up shadow-shapes against the cave-wall for you?
You'll still gets thoughts of self, but that's all they are. You've really gotta focus and look at the reality.
Thoughts clearly exist, we can see this. But what's behind it? Is there a me needed, or life just living?
sorry, not really going over your points, just rambling a little.
Stop rambling, start looking and seeing the reality to answer your own questions.
so, to describe what i see when i look for the shape called a self...
there's certainly a pitiful story of a self. it almost a remnant. like one of those raggedy shadow nasgul things from lord of the rings, all empty billowing cloak and a lot of bad air.
there's almost a temptation to look for and describe the 'real' self, to think that something else must be it, something simpler and purer and life affirming. but no, bad move, logic fail. life is affirmed, it doesn't need any me for that.
Yep, no 'me' needed. Just life living. No self, no controller.
the hunger for this illusion to keep itself fed in some way is observable. i almost feel sorry for it.
i mean, the sorrow is the feeling any empathic being would feel for any struggling creature. but the struggles of a shadow? why bother
It's been thought of as you for your whole life, and now it's being seen as an illusion. All this is is a subtle shift of perspective, a seeing of what's real behind and the delusion and mystery.
Just observe it, watch it.
i can sense a trap lurking in identifying as the abscence of self. but that's just a failure to appreciate the beauty of the thing properly, even that would be redundant. i'll keep on eye on it though, just in case. maybe full identification with no-self is just a necessary stage in the movement to truth, something that passes quick enough if sense persists.
You're starting to make an identity out of no self. See how the mind likes to label and say 'ah, THIS is me.'?
Watch this happening, and see it as thoughts again.
Is it really who you are, or the mind trying to identity with something again?
bit of speculation there, just my compulsive pessimism.
Push this. Test it. What's true won't go away when you really focus on it. Run the numbers yourself.
i guess the only question is how is this developed? how does growth happen? do i even need to worry about that?
It's not growth, it's deepening. Keep looking at what comes up, just see what's real.
See the space in which all this happens, this void. Stare into that. Stare into the void, and really notice the space in which these thoughts arise.
again, back to what is seen right now - there's just the actions of a life living itself. less guilt. not a lot for 'me to do about it.
Always look at what's seen. Focus, and don't let your focus drift off into ramblings. Look at the reality. Keep your focus there.
'me' is out of a job.
When liberating, it's always great to hear how people describe it when they see the reality. You've posted some great quotes man, it's always exciting to watch someone wake up from the delusion.