Re: Am I there yet?
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:21 pm
Seeking is no longer on. Suffering is still on. First belief to question: An awake person doesn't suffer. That, or I'm only partly awake.
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Did you expect that this will no longer be happening?When I stop and look what is in the way of peace is emotions that are connected up to unconscious assumptions, stuff that's still shaping thoughts and actions despite the change in perspective on the whole process.
I'm having plenty of emotions, but don't see it as a problem that I'm having them! And yes, so far it seems like any getting "stuck" = lack of acceptance.Did you expect that this will no longer be happening?When I stop and look what is in the way of peace is emotions that are connected up to unconscious assumptions, stuff that's still shaping thoughts and actions despite the change in perspective on the whole process.
Change if perspective does not change what is being seen! Why would it? Thoughts trigger emotions, that's how mechanism works. Seeing that is easier to notice that this loop is in place. But from here on it's a matter of acceptance. All that is not accepted yet, will create resistance, till surrender happens.
No. "I", "me", and "self" are, and have only ever been, thoughts that refer to each other and to other thoughts and symbols.1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
"Self" is built into our language and culture, and we learn it as children. In order to communicate thoughts, feelings, or desires, we learn to say "I think", "I feel", "I want". We're constantly addressed as one self by other selves from childhood on. Since thoughts are usually unspoken words and sentences, the "I" concept gets built into our very thoughts. We start assuming that "I" refers to something real, as real, distinct, and fixed as the word "I" or our name.2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The process here has been fairly gradual. When I started here things had already been seriously in the works for a couple of weeks. So to answer this question I'd have to remember what it was like to be "me" in early January! This isn't that easy.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Seeing my name, of all things. I had been working on disentangling thought loops. Around that time, I had an experience where I looked at my name, and realized how linked up it was with a whole web of thoughts, feelings, and attachments. These sorts of processes were now being examined more closely, so I saw the link between the stimulus of seeing my name and the response of "I" thoughts and feelings of identification. It was an identification process, but it wasn't me, it was just another chain of thoughts and emotions. That's when something really clicked about how all of this works. Not too long after that, the intensity around all the "seeking" just dropped.4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Free will, choice, and control are not there, at all, period. I don't understand the details of the workings of the human brain, but it's clear that thoughts, desires, and actions all emerge from something that is not under conscious control. Conscious awareness is just along for the ride.5)can you talk about decision, intention, free will, choice and control? What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience
Two things:6) Anything to add?
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