From concepts to reality

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Re: From concepts to reality

Postby Canute » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:28 pm

Hihi, no case is hopeless. Hope is non issue.

I see you're coming out on another side, nice.

One question, what was it that made to look? Can you describe what happened?

And another question is, how would you tell about absence of 'me' to somebody who never heard about it?
Hope is a non issue, true true. It´s what religions tend to offer, isn´t it. It´s just thoughts about a rosier future, usually without much useful guidance on how to get there.

Your first question came out a bit garbled. Can you please repost it?

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Re: From concepts to reality

Postby Canute » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:41 pm

Hihi, no case is hopeless. Hope is non issue.

I see you're coming out on another side, nice.

One question, what was it that pushed you over the edge? Can you describe what happened?

And another question is, how would you tell about absence of 'me' to somebody who never heard about it?
What pushed me over the edge? This wasn´t a completely new exercise for me, but I needed someone, you Ilona, to support me. Alone, I would have succumbed to the usual demons, resignation and perceived inadequacy. I also needed you to ask the right questions at the right time. I don´t have a great inner overview right now, but I sense the process had a definite sequencing. The first point at which truth came alive, was last night when you wrote (more or less) "not knowing is a signpost for the gate". Up to then, somehow I still expected discovery of truth would be discovering an idea, a thought. And so not knowing seemed like a failure. Stupid, isn´t it?

Then your subsequent question, "is there a you to cross?", hit me. It hit somewhere else than in the intellect. I was moved to tears before the intellect understood the question! Then relief, sighs, breath deepening, shoulders dropping, a sense of possibility and being in awe of how uncomplicated, but not necessarily easily seen, the truth of what we´re not is.

After that it was more a question of hammering it out. Coming to grips with the implications, noticing how experience of anything actually happens, finding that only thinking can separate experience into different bits, dismantling the notion of a witness, and seeing all the blessings that accrue when I take my stand in reality rather than delusion. For the last 4 days, I´ve focused on this inquiry, not only by responding to your questions. One approach that´s worked well was just doing all the normal things, like cooking, showering, eating, walking, feeling, even thinking, and notice how they happen so naturally without an I in sight.

How would I tell about the absence of 'me' to somebody who never heard about it? Hmm...

Hiya! Are you ready to find out why life is so hard ? Even if it turns your world upside down? Even if it removes any possibility to blame anyone else ever again? Even if the answer at first most likely will provoke you into defense and denial? Still in? OK, here we go.

Actually, Ilona, I got up at 4am. The mind is mush. I´ll be back, tomorrow. It´s been a long, good day.

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From concepts to reality

Postby Ilona » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:49 pm

How is it feeling today? :)
Truth realized will set you free.
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Re: From concepts to reality

Postby Canute » Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:32 pm

How is it feeling today? :)
Hey Ilona. It´s feelin´groovy! Chilled, resting in itself, meeting the inner and outer world without resistance or hankering.It´s light, almost transparent, everything moves through, nothing sticks. Where´s Eeyore?

I´m travelling today, everybody wants to talk to me, strangers on the bus, strangers at the trainstation. I´m happier listening, so it works out well. I´m unreasonably interested in everything. Had some time at the trainstation and got totally fascinated by extremely expensive magazines about rock climbing. Read the BBC news on my mobile as if it was a movie cliffhanger moment. Where´s the old jaded me?

Just like yesterday, I got up at 4 pm today. I was pretty woozy, but answered your last question as best I could. Internet hasn´t been working until now, on the train, so I´ll paste this early mornings writing below. And then I´ll sign off, for the time being. I wont be guiding others for now, it feels right to first map out the new landscape for a while. But I´m always available for your questions and comments.

Bowing to Rumsfeld, holding Lithuanias finest in my heart,

Canute
How would I tell about the absence of 'me' to somebody who never heard about it?
This mind is still mush. Four hours of sleep, and more interested in how life without believing in an entity works than telling anybody else about it.

But for you Ilona, being such a sweet nobody, I shall stretch and walk the extra mile;..

You ever notice how something doesn´t seem quite right about reality? How, despite the abundance of available advice, we end up creating repeated misery for ourselves and others? How life doesn´t seem to make sense? Maybe that´s why we enjoy movies like The Matrix and The Truman Show, affirming reality isn´t what it pretends to be? Well, it´s because it´s true! Reality isn´t what it pretends to be!

There´s a lie right at the center of life. It´s like those spy thrillers, looking for the mole, the investigation leading closer and closer to the heart of the Secret Service itself. But in your, and my and everybody elses case, the lie resides right at our own center, at the place we call I, or me. Investigate; is the word/thought/sense of I or me pointing to an underlying reality? Just like the word rain points to the wet stuff in your face, or the words fear and joy point to a set of body sensations? Or is it the case that the words I and me are just words, underpinned by nothing more real and solid than the word Santa Claus? I found the latter to be true. I´m still trying to handle the implications of this. But let me tell you this much. As far as I can see, most of my psychological suffering has been because I believed in an I. And I´ve hung around with Buddhists for almost 25 years! They´re specialised in no I! But the idea is not enough. You need to see this, clearly and directly for yourself. Just like you see there is no Batman in this room now. Once you´ve seen it, no one will be able to convince you otherwise. Of course, we keep using the first person pronoun, it helps us communicate. Me, I´m still new in life without the lie. And I suspect I´ll occasionally fall into delusion again, habits die hard. But then I´ll just look for Batman, and notice he´s still not here!
Interested? There are some good people at http://www.liberationunleashed.com. Do you really want to postpone taking the red pill any longer?

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From concepts to reality

Postby Ilona » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:46 pm

Thank you, Canute for this beautiful meeting of mind.
I really enjoyed working with you and was reading your posts with excitement and watched it unfold with curiosity and joy.

I see you have crossed with both legs and dissapeared. And of course we use words as I and you but they mean nothing like before.

Is everything clear, any doubt at all?

I have one more task for you. Can you look at humans as it is and describe what you see with you fresh eyes.

I mean look at planet earth as a whole and consider what are humans, how suffering fits in the picture and so on. Please share what you see.
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