Can you help "me", Ilona?

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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Riktam » Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:11 pm

Ilona,

Good morning.

Still in peace and quiet.

Yes, there is a change.
No shining stars, no flowers blossoming everywhere, but there is a new way of reacting to internal and external impulses. A new way to look life as it is.
Things that could hurt me before, that made me fight before, today was seen as only one more experience happening.
What doesn't mean that hurting cannot happen anymore, I know.
But now there is a new way to rethink it when it happens.

Love,

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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Ilona » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:54 pm

Oooo, nice.
So can you say that it has been seen that I is an illusion, that there are no separate entities in the bags of skin?

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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Riktam » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:21 pm

Ilona,

Yes, it has.
I still have to deal a little with it because there is habit, but when it is reminded, things change.
No questioning about it.

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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Ilona » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:55 pm

Great! Yes, it takes time to settle and integrate this new seeing.

Looks that you are ready for the final questions. Are you?
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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Riktam » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:50 am

Ilona, please send the questions.
I will answer them carefully and sincerely, stating only what I can do, and I will send the replies next evening.

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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Ilona » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:15 am

Here they are :) answer in full when ready.

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) in the experience, is there an experiencer? Is it body that experiences or body is experienced?

3) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

4) How does it feel to see this?

5)How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

6) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? Can you describe the moment when seeing happened?
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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Riktam » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:31 am

Here are the answers:

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Only as a language resource, a label, a way to identify a person (body-mind) when interacting with others.

2) in the experience, is there an experiencer? Is it body that experiences or body is experienced?

There is experience happening, no personal experiencer, body and its senses are experienced, as well as everything.

3) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works

That resource of language (I/you) is used to teach children the names and the ownership of things and his/her relationship to others. Reinforced by the physical separation of the body, that concept is early assimilated at the very roots of consciousness, becoming an unquestionable reality in everybody's minds.
So we go ahead till the end of our lives acting as separate entities, as characters, what changes all the scenario of life, dictating the rules of relationships and bringing tension and unnecessary suffering to everybody.

4) How does it feel to see this?

When I look deeply inside I cannot see any "I", nor any boundary, and when I observe things and thoughts without the perspective of an "I", just as experience, things become clearer, a deep relaxation takes the body, feeling of unburdening and a feeling to be "at home" takes place.

5)How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

First I would check what expectations and believes he/she has together with his/her curiosity.
Next I'd try to undeceive him/her of misunderstandings and point to the very simple idea of illusion caused by education of parents and interaction to others.
Naturally some resistance will arise and then I would propose some exercises like looking deep inside to look for an "I", I'd tell him/her to take a walk and see if walking happen spontaneously or not, next I'd continue listening to his/her doubts and go proposing more questions to show the misconceptions he/she could have.
Until taking his/her mind to a dead end, as Ilona did to me :)

6) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? Can you describe the moment when seeing happened?

Even after living the experiences described above, when I was not alert enough the mind was still acting as the "I" was a reality and bringing the same burden and suffering. It was teasing me and bringing doubts.
The last release was when I realized that even that experience that I was denying was part of experience, even suffering, because everything is experience, even doubts, and so I relaxed and understood that everything is ONE. There is nothing out of experience, and there never will be.
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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Ilona » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:47 am

Beautiful, Riktam.
I can see that the gate gas been crashed! And welcome to the new stage, next chapter.
Are you on Facebook? If not create an account so I can invite you to LU groups where you can meet everyone else that passed through this forum. It's a great place to connect and ask questions when something needs to get clarified.
As you see, this is not the end alone, it's a beginning too- so much to explore, the journey is just starting :)

Find me https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1 ... 65632&_rdr

Looking forward to greet you there.

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Re: Can you help "me", Ilona?

Postby Riktam » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:29 pm

Ilona,

Thank you, thank you.

I am immensely grateful for all this process I took part and I see that in the way it was conceived, due to its multiplicative aspect, it can lead to liberating all the World. At least those people who could be open to this.

I'm already your friend in Facebook, (http://www.facebook.com/dirceu.romani). I'm waiting for the invitation for the group.

See you there.

Much Love,

Riktam.

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