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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:35 pm

I want to be pushed, I want someone else to do the work for me. I want to get this over with so I can do other things.
'I'

I feel like smiling at all this, its silly.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:42 pm

Who feels like smiling?

'I'm' going around in circles.

If there is no way to get out of this, nothing to get out of, do I just wait?

I know i can't just try with my mind, because it doesn't go anywhere.

'I'm' not even doing anything. These are just habitual thought processes, like the emotions already discussed.

This is ridiculous :)

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:01 am

:)

Is there you in any way, shape or form?

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:48 am

:) No of course not, its all just thought.

There's still a temptation to say 'I...'

But it doesn't refer to anything.

There was a cramp in my foot, and the thought 'whose pain is that' came up, and its just a thought.

Still waiting for a big bang though. You may need to use a stick.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:59 am

Tell me more about this waiting for a big bang.

Who is waiting what exactly?

Btw, was there you ever in any way or form?

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:11 am

Tell me more about this waiting for a big bang.
Its like 'I should know if I've made it'.

A feeling of doubt, tension in my chest. Restlessness.
It goes when looked at.

This is all there is :)

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:31 am

ok, can you leave the expectations and just look into this what is right now.
Should be something different than it is? What?

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:10 pm

I can't believe how simple this really is.
ok, can you leave the expectations and just look into this what is right now.
Should be something different than it is? What?
Awareness. No wonder there was no big bang, its just recognition of what is always there.

Space+thought/emotion/sensation.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:47 am

How does it feel to see this?
Do you feel ready now for a few final, "confirmation" questions?
Or there is something you would like to investigate more?

Warm greetings.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:53 am

How does it feel to see this?
Sensible. Joyful as well, this seems to have run through most of today and yesterday.
Do you feel ready now for a few final, "confirmation" questions?
I do, lets see what happens.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:29 am

You may take some time for this if you need it.
  • What is illusion of self? How it manifests? Why it is not seen usually as such? What does it take to see it?
    Could you describe it to someone who never heard about it, but shows interest?
    Was there something specific that made you definitely SEE?
Use your own words; Be honest, simple and clear as possible.
With love.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:31 am

What is illusion of self?
Have you seen the Jim Carrey movie, The Mask?
How it manifests?
It requires some kind of input, attention+attachment. Theres a thought, attention settles on it and it is believed, often without notice. When 'self' thoughts arise, they seem to be the basis of perception, but its really a mask, in that it confines perception. Its not a true limiting of attention, more a temporary stickiness.
Why it is not seen usually as such?
Because the zoom function is up too high. Attention obsesses over these thoughts and emotions, probably due to not being taught differently. It is really amazing that an emotion is felt, that a thought can become so 'sticky' that this perception seems to be an 'I' thing.
What does it take to see it?
I don't know. Really its right there. It seems like a step back is needed, or the glue between attention and object ('self' thoughts and emotions) needs to dissolve a bit. When its seen though, even if the glue isn't all the way gone, its like a constant reminder, 'I am not this thought, emotion, etc. But I am.'
Could you describe it to someone who never heard about it, but shows interest?
Its a realisation of the obvious. Can you perceive your thoughts? Emotions? Sensations? Then clearly these things are not the root of perception.
Try to take a step back from your thoughts and emotions, don't jump to be so invested in them, investigate them, look at them in the same way you would look at a painting that catches your attention, or a song which carries you with it. Eventually you'll realise that you aren't looking with the same 'frame' any more. No frame. Never was frame.

Its interesting that this natural state has typically been communicated in the context of religious, spiritual or philosophical methods. Its none of those things, it has nothing to do with that.
Was there something specific that made you definitely SEE?
There was just a recognition. A sense of 'this feels right'.
I think when you asked me to drop all expectations and look to see what was here now. And after awhile it was just here. You asked 'Should something be different that it is?' Attention doesn't do that.

Thank you Eloratea :)

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:13 am

Have you seen the Jim Carrey movie, The Mask?
Yes and liked it :)
But please, make few sentences in your own words about this. In relation to the movie or not.
It will help you stabilize insight and other people reading this might enjoy as well in one more angle of it.

See you.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Patanjali » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:35 am

The illusion of the self is mistaking perceived objects as a character, as commenting on who we are. So its interpreting thoughts, emotions, and sensations as being an amalgamation, one thing, that is this character 'I'.

The illusion weakens when each object is looked at, when the interpretation is looked at. After awhile of doing this, it became apparent that these objects didn't reveal some detail about 'me', they were just details.

This cannot be seen if these objects are unquestionably accepted as 'me', added to the pile of other things that have been tagged 'me'. Its categorisation.

The illusion seems to be when these amalgamated details, a pile of 'me' tagged objects, forms a 'frame', a 'mindset', through which awareness seems to be filtered. Its so tricky. Before I glimpsed outside the frame I couldn't conceive of perception not filtered through the mind, even though its always there any way.

To reference the movie, when Carrey is the Mask, he is the Mask, there's no 'outside' perspective. But taking off the Mask isn't like returning to the perspective of Jim. Its way beyond Jim.

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Re: Hello, ready to start looking.

Postby Eloratea » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:12 am

Thanks :)

I let the other guides see if they have some more questions for you.

Here is a little document you might want to read:
http://liberationunleashed.com/PDF/Awakened.pdf

Stay well.


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