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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:07 pm

Be careful when you make
these “masters,” gurus or teachers
an authority. That may hinder your
discovery of truth.

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:11 am

It's not the body or the mind or the senses or thoughts that must leave the answer and I can not say what it is that remains because I do not know. The question you keep asking is what I came here to find out. I an no closer now than when I signed up. Well maybe a little closer since I have eliminated the above answers,

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:34 am

Closer to what?
How do you know that you're close or not?


If you say closer, there are two things; one thing to be approached,
and one that approaches.



Is that the way reality is?


Where is the one that approaches, and where is that something that
has to be reached?


Please look now, here and now, and answer. Where are they, right now in this moment?

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:52 pm

Minus the senses the thoughts the body the mind I am still here. What do I experience without the so called things I have eliminated. Consciousness needs something to be conscious of and without the senses what is there to be conscious of? Thoughts are what seem to give the illusion reality so that is gone, The mind interprets the thoughts so it is useless. The body now just seems to hang around without much if any purpose, So if l can figure out what is left that is what I am closer to.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:31 pm

Those are all ideas, melessnow.


Who is the one that gets close?
What is it that is approached?


Are they two separate things?


Look for each and please tell.

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:57 pm

Who is the one that gets close?
What is it that is approached?
The only one that can get close is the one that wants to get closer.What is approached is truth,

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:03 pm

Are they two separate things?
Look now.

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:30 pm

Ok, you think that there are pure knowing and contaminated knowing.
Please bear that in mind that there are none of such.
Yes, contaminated knowing is ignorance and pure knowing is wisdom.
Before starting, it's important to discard all of your thoughts about
truth, reality or whatever, and start anew in a state of blank slate.

That will be the key for experiential understanding to come.



Having said that, I'd like to ask you one question:



What is "you?"
You is an agreed upon symbol that refers to an unlocatable concept. I cannot define you because I cannot find you.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 pm

Hi. :)

Seems like you haven’t answered my
previous question yet?

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:25 pm

Are they two separate things?
Look now.
There are no separate things. Melessnow is talking to itself when answering Bananafish questions..

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:36 pm

There are no separate things.
Could you tel bit more about it? Did you learn that as a concept from somewhere?
How and where did you discover it, and how do you see life from that knowing?

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:11 pm

There are no separate things.
Could you tel bit more about it? Did you learn that as a concept from somewhere?
How and where did you discover it, and how do you see life from that knowing?
Right now all my knowing is intellectual. I do not have a direct experience of "no separate things". I am looking for the experience of experiencing what we call life as a flow with no one controlling the flow. Just being in the flow and enjoying the ride. I do not expect life to change as far as being better but just to see life as it is. Flowing perfectly without anyone directing the flow. I am pretty sure your reply will be "Just more intellectualizing" but at my present understanding that is where I am at. I have realized that sensing is always on. I have nothing to do with the sensing except sense it. I open my eyes and seeing happens. I do not have to do anything to make it happen. When I close my eyes seeing is still happening it is just a different scene. I have had the experience that the seen and the seer are not separate. Seeing happens without a seer.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:44 pm

What drives you to "experience" something that already is?
Do you notice that "experience" is an impediment to what you call "flow?"

Isn't it "flowing" now?
Are you expecting a kind of special experience?

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:00 am

What makes you try to make something already flowing
to flow?

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:38 pm

What drives you to "experience" something that already is?
Do you notice that "experience" is an impediment to what you call "flow?"

Isn't it "flowing" now?
Are you expecting a kind of special experience?
If you don't experience something how would it be known? I am told that reality is right now and I am experiencing it but I don't realize it.
Yes it is flowing now. I am not expecting anything special. I just want to see with correct perspective.


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