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Postby melessnow » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:20 pm

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
The real, Inherent 'self' is a made up, but believed to be real, personality . It is changeable and impermanent which makes it unreal and illusionary.

What are you looking for at LU?

No more than what is stated in your introduction to your web site. A guide that points me to my understanding that what I am experiencing as life is a self-induced dream state that I must have wanted to experience for no reason.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
To get me to look at and question the correct (for me) answers that are going to allow me to realize the truth of my being. I know intellectually I am made up and I want to remember what I am as Being

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
ACIM Indian teachers meditation just so many,

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 10

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Postby Bananafish » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:49 am

Hi melessnow. :)


My name is Bananafish, and I'm one of the guides here.
I'd be more than glad to accompany you.


To begin with, could you tell about what you read in your intro ...
that what you are experiencing as life is "a self-induced dream state?"


Have you read about that in a book? Has anyone taught that to you, or is
it a direct expression of what you are here and now?


Warm regards,


Bananafish

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:58 pm

I am sure I must have heard that stated somewhere but then I looked at it and saw that when born I had no language to express what I was experiencing and also no thoughts about the experience. I was just plain experiencing with no filters. Everything must have been just pure experience. Then I was taught momma, daddy, me, mine and it went downhill from there. Everything I have been taught has contaminated this pure knowing. This contamination has allowed me to create this false personality that keeps me at a distance from this pure knowing.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:47 pm

Ok, you think that there are pure knowing and contaminated knowing.
Please bear that in mind that there are none of such.


Before starting, it's important to discard all of your thoughts about
truth, reality or whatever, and start anew in a state of blank slate.

That will be the key for experiential understanding to come.



Having said that, I'd like to ask you one question:



What is "you?"

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:54 pm

"You" seems to be a thoughtso twoness could be experienced. You seems to be so me could be. Both you and me are experiences that are being experienced by ?? I must be part of or all of this experience since I seem to be aware of having expeences. This is probably a terrible answer to "What is "two". but I am still looking to find a true answer.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:14 pm

Oh, that seems very intellectual, but we're not
doing any kind of intellectual discussion here. :)

Thinking is not a tool for finding things out here.


Now ...

Could you try pointing at yourself now?
Please do it.

What did you point at?

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:31 pm

I pointed at my chest which obviously is not myself. I guess that shows how conditioned I am to thinking of myself as a body.I will spend the rest of the day looking for myself.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:56 pm

Hi. :)

Is that a logical conclusion?


As it sounds a bit odd, you seem to be conditioned to think that you are
conditioned. That will hinder your clear understanding of reality as it is.


What is "condition?"


Do you suppose that you are going to attain "un-conditioning"
through a kind of practice?


In the meantime, please keep looking for yourself. :)

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:28 am

OK Will do!

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:50 pm

It seems to me if I(the illusionary I) wasn't conditioned I would have a clear picture of reality.

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:45 pm

I do not know "What is you" is. I know you is not changeless and is not permanent so you must not be real. "You" just has to be a thought I have about "You.

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:00 pm

Don't think over it, melessnow.


I'm not asking what you think about "you," but
what "you" are here and now.


Would you like to find it?


Who are you?

Where are you?

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:50 pm

Right now I am this unreal thing seeking to escape from this unreal thing, An impossibility. But since I know others have escaped I am talking to you for the pointers that may help me to liberation,

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Re: No one here

Postby melessnow » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:47 pm

Right now I am experiencing being a body that has all sorts of thoughts about being in control of this life and not liking where this control is leading. Then if I remember that this body was formed completely without any input from this controller and I ask myself if I have ever been in control of any of the experiences that have occurred from birth till now

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Re: No one here

Postby Bananafish » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:49 pm

Those are all ideas about you.

Who are you, when you don’t think about
who you are?


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