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Matthew
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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:21 am

a thought appear " it's windy ", but in direct experince it's only sensation, seeing movement and sound.
For example, yes!


As it became clear, there is no "I" in seeing.
There is also no "I" in hearing.
Why would a letter "I" be needed for seeing and hearing to happen in the first place?
That assumption is ridiculous, isn't it!?

Is there an "I" still assumed somewhere else?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:53 am

Is there an "I" still assumed somewhere else?
No , but i think i replaced "I" with this body. The body is seeing, hearing, feeling

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:03 am

You mean you feel like being inside a body separated from its surroundings?
Is that what you're saying?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:38 am

Yes

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:44 am

Okay let us appoach that!


Image


What do you SEE here?
Only report about the raw seen without thought addition.
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:41 pm

I don't know what i see, ignoring the thoughts i can't say what i see

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:49 am

That's true.
Any "object" is just thought superimposing separateness upon raw, seamless experience.

Still, we need to work and communicate at this point.
When brought down to the most simple level, what can be seen is "The Seen".
What can be seen is "colour".
Are you comfortable with this term?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:00 am

What can be seen is "colour".
Are you comfortable with this term?
Yes

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:17 am

Now look at colour labelled "my arm".
Can you, same as with the apple, see it as being only colour at the most basic level?
It might take some time just gazing at it.
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:25 am

Now look at colour labelled "my arm".
Can you, same as with the apple, see it as being only colour at the most basic level?
Ok, yes

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:01 am

Now hold your arm against the background.

How do you know that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

What tells that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

Does not all colour appear in the very same space?

Do you SEE any boundary amongst colour at all?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:29 am

How do you know that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?
No, i can't say that I'm this colour and not that colour
What tells that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?
Nothing can tell me that I'm this colour and not that colour
Does not all colour appear in the very same space?
Yes, all the colour appear in the same space
Do you SEE any boundary amongst colour at all?
No boudry

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:32 am

Where do you begin?
Where do you end?
Do you even begin and end somewhere in the classical sense?

Where is your body?
Do you even have a body in the classical sense?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.

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Re: I don't know

Postby Iana » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:39 am

Classical sense is direct experience?

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Re: I don't know

Postby Matthew » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:41 am

What it means:

Usually, in every day normal life. When someone asks: "Where is your body?" Then you point to colour labelled "my body".
But when looking at things as they are. When looking at actual present experience.

Where do you begin?
Where do you end?

Where is your body?
First there is a mountain,
Then there is no mountain,
Then there is.


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