Sweating as the result of a bad dream is real. But NOT the dream itself.What comes to mind is there are mental experiences too, not just physical. If I have a bad dream that leaves me sweating, then the experience of the dream was real, even though it would be impossible to prove to you or anyone else. Unlike an object such as a cup, which I could hand to you to verify for yourself with your senses. (Not sure if dreams count as thoughts only, so included 'brain activity'.)
Just as there can be sweating as the result of thinking about something frightening.
Again, the sweating will be real, but not the content of the fantasy.
Dreams just as not real, as thoughts not.
If a dream were real, meaning containing experience and not just fantasy, then if you were stubbed in the dream, then you would wake up not just sweaty, but drenched in blood with a hole on your belly.
Just as if you have a daydream about being stubbed, you might be sweating (real), but you won’t have to rush to the emergency with a big wound (fantasy).
There is no difference between thinking and dreaming.
Both of them just thoughts.
Both of them just fantasies.
None of them are experience.
It’s very important to see what is real (experience) and what is just fantasy (thought).
Since the illusion of the self is just made-up by thoughts.
Like the invented character of Santa.
So it’s essential to be able to distinguish between reality (experience) and fantasy (thoughts). Without this distinction, seeing through the self is quite challenging.
This is pure intellectual speculation. Yes, conventionally speaking bacteria and viruses exist. But we cannot get anywhere with conventional reality if we want to see through the self.(stepping outside of simplicity for a moment. This comment that ghosts don't exist depends on whether they can be measured with others tools. For example, you and I cannot see bacteria or viruses with the naked eye. Yet pull out a microscope and small enough needle, and we can both see and touch them. I'm not advocating for the existence of ghosts. But this point did bug me the first time. There could be some energy phenomenon that we haven't developed the tools to see/measure them.)
You really have to try to put aside ALL speculation and reasoning. And not just in your replies to me, but in ‘your head’ too.
If you want to see through the self, you have to make effort to step outside your comfort zone, from the comfort and safety of ‘intellectual knowledge’.
Yes, please stay with the simplicity.Back in 5yo mind, that is correct: ghosts can only be thought of...just like any god or spirit.
Reality is very- very simple.
The reason why it’s missed is because its simplicity.
It’s so simple, that the intellect pushes it aside as insignificant, and thus completely ignore it.
This is very simple. I cannot emphasize the simplicity enough, actually. Have you heard phrases like, "It's right here" or "It's so simple"? It's a good idea to take that very literally.
Here comes the problem. You believe that something that is real can be experienced via the senses AND thoughts.The first thing that comes to mind is thought. But thoughts are real, even though the content of thoughts needn't be as previously agreed. A 'real thing' is something that can be experienced in some form or manner via the senses and thoughts.
Via the senses things can be experienced, yes.
But can ANYTHING be experienced via THOUGHTS?
Look at thoughts. Remember a cup in front of you is real, tangible. It "exists" in a way that can be examined with the senses. Anyway, the cup can be pointed to and verified.
Why doesn't that happen with thought?
Why can’t you touch a thought?
Why can’t you smell a thought?
Why can’t you feel a thought?
Why can’t you smell a thought?
Why can’t you point your finger to a thought?
Can you see that there are ONLY TWO options:
Either EXPERIENCING something by touching, smelling, tasting, hearing, etc
IMAGINING = THINKING
Is this totally clear?
Please really-really examine these questions. Be very thorough. Don’t rush through this, since this is the BASIS of everything we are looking at here. As long as this is not totally clear, we cannot go further.
No :) You are trying to make a philosophical question about it, if things exist at all….V: But I ask that you stop and savour both the questions and the answers that come up.J: Do you mean letting yourself be awed by everyday reality? Like any object I pick up, should I contemplate how amazing it is for anything to exist at all?
Philosophy = thinking
What we are doing here is much simpler. We leave the realm of thinking. We just observe what can be known without thoughts.
I just meant with the above comment that don’t push aside my questions because of their simplicity. Don’t just reply back with the automatic, knee-jerk conditioned thought reactions. Meaning, don’t reply back with your beliefs. Rather stay with the questions and look again and again. As if you were a child, who doesn’t know anything about how things work. With the curiosity of a child…