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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:30 pm

P.S. I will not be online until Sunday, and will reply you then.
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:39 am

Is there anything else you want to look at? What is not yet clear?
I don't know... Life is happening, but sometimes the story still feels "real", when in reality it's all just imagine. The only real experience is happening right here and now.

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:23 pm

The only real experience is happening right here and now.
And the unreal experience? Is it happening at all?

Do you have to distinguish between unreal or real experience?
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:12 am

And the unreal experience? Is it happening at all?
When the imagined is happening then it is the "real" or direct experience happening at that moment.

Do you have to distinguish between unreal or real experience?
No, It is just experience happening.

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:43 pm

When the imagined is happening then it is the "real"
Can anything imagined happen - and be real?
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:52 pm

Can anything imagined happen - and be real?
Imagined things don't happen and aren't real, but they still feel real to me.

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:02 pm

Imagined things don't happen and aren't real
This is a quick answering out of "knowing" - and we're not getting anywhere with this.

What we do here is Looking...again and again. When I ask whether anything imagined can be real, I actually ask you to look again.

What is it that you imagine yourself to be - right now? And then look whether it is real, whether it is here...anywhere.

Let me know whether you want to continue looking in direct experience or leave it for the moment.
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:05 pm

What is it that you imagine yourself to be - right now?
Imagining myself being this person in a linear existence, the past and potential future.
And then look whether it is real, whether it is here...anywhere.
The past and future are not here. The only thing here is just what's happening, like typing, hearing,feeling, only thing here is current experience.

Let me know whether you want to continue looking in direct experience or leave it for the moment.
Lets keep looking.

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:15 pm

Sorry for answering so late. I'm traveling and without internet often, plus the site wasn't available several times.

Let's look further, here is an exercise:

Bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend".
Then bring up a thought about a character labelled "stranger".
Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend".

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.

Is there a difference?
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:00 pm

Is there a difference in these thoughts?
The content of the thoughts are different. The friend has qualities and memories attached, while the stranger is just a picture.

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?
It's all just thoughts, but different content.
After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.

Is there a difference?
Just different content. The "me" really only seems to exist in thought.
Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?
No, they are just like all the other thoughts.

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:11 pm

The "me" really only seems to exist in thought.
It does :-) And then there are sensations etc. But the "I" is merely images you see, it has no reality. You cannot make real what you see in these pictures - never.

You exist - as this experiencing here now - but the person you believe yourself to be does not exist.

Is there anything left unclear about this?
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:25 pm

Is there anything left unclear about this?
When I look, this is clear.

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:47 pm

When I look, this is clear.
Great :-) And if you want, continue looking...you know how to look and what you're looking for by now. Try to find the "I" in any situation, circumstance, moment. LOOK for it, diligently. You are here as something, but where is the person that you think you are? Is it real? That's the looking.

Is there anything specific you want to investigate further with me?
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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Echoz » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:03 am

Is there anything specific you want to investigate further with me?
I don't know where to go from here lol

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Re: Seeing that frees

Postby Stillness » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:09 pm

I don't know where to go from here lol
I don't know either :-)

Take a break....and then come back, if you want, and let me know what questions you've found. And which answers to them - right in your direct experience. And if something isn't clear.
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