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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:44 am

I tried many times moments ago, but wasn't able to see it clearly. But I have the idea it would be spaciousness perhaps.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:31 pm

I’m inviting you to look right here right now and describe what you find.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:35 pm

It seems spaciousness. Not an infinite space, but yeah, spaciousness.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:53 pm

That’s your answer to all the questions :)

Is anything incomplete? Anything missing?
Right here right now?
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:37 pm

It's just that? haha i was expecting something deeper than it.

I don't know... i'm still unsatisfied...
I've experienced that 'spaciousness' many times during meditation, but didn't even give it that much importance.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:06 pm

Of course! It’s completely ordinary and natural.
That’s the answer. Take it. Take it for the answer. Let it sink in.

Expectations are in the way. It’s never what is expected. Stillness, beingness can only be noticed, when you are not looking for something to fit your expectations.

Face that energy of unsatisfation.
What is behind it?

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:15 pm

I think that behind that energy is the fact that i am not who i want to be... So it's the 'I' again.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:20 pm

Well hmm there is no I to be anyhing.
How does that land?
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:37 pm

Yes, i've come to that conclusion with our talk. But for some reason the idea of 'I' is still present, i automatically feel and react as if the I was real, despite the fact that i understood why it is not...

Maybe i don't really believe that the I isn't real, and that one post of mine about awareness vs energy was an illustration of that.
Also, perhaps i don't want to get rid of the idea of I deep down... Like, i want to be satisfied, realized, happy, free, but at the same time have the I and feel pride. It may be an illusion in some way or from some perspective, but i really feel attached to it.
If i really had to choose between the two things though, at this point, i would ditch the I altogether forever.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:06 pm

The whole point of this conversation is for you to take a look for yourself and see what is real and what is not. You can’t figure this out by mind. You have to look.

That’s it.
Look
Is there I? Is there I to get rid off? Is there I to keep? Is there I attached to illusion?

You can dance around this as much as you like! But if you want the truth no matter what, no matter what, then take that look.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:34 pm

I was trying just now... I looked around my room calmly and deeply, and i noticed that the perception of the things around makes it seem like there's just no separation or difference between the things that happen to me or any other things happening. The idea came to my mind again that things just happen. The I will be there only if believed, it's just a matter of perspective.

At this point i don't feel satisfied or unsatisfied, my state of mind is kind of indifferent. It may change in the future though...

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:39 pm

I felt my faith of success fading and went read some testimonials and the FAQ on this site.

For some reason i'm concerned that it may not work with me, i don't know why...
I really wish i could see things how they are, but i don't have much faith in my mind. I hope it will work, but seems really difficult. :/

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:41 pm

What do you see when you look?
This has nothing to do with faith! It’s noticing simplicity.
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:06 pm

When i look i just see things happening and the awareness of it.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:12 pm

Exactly. Are things happening and awareness of it separate?

Here is something for you to play with. It’s called bahyia sutra. Spend couple of days looking through this angle. See how everything is.



In the seen, there is only the seen,
in the heard, there is only the heard,
in the sensed, there is only the sensed,
in the cognized, there is only the cognized.
Thus you should see that
indeed there is no thing here;
this, Bahiya, is how you should train yourself.
Since, Bahiya, there is for you
in the seen, only the seen,
in the heard, only the heard,
in the sensed, only the sensed,
in the cognized, only the cognized,
and you see that there is no thing here,
you will therefore see that
indeed there is no thing there.
As you see that there is no thing there,
you will see that
you are therefore located neither in the world of this,
nor in the world of that,
nor in any place
between the two.
This alone is the end of suffering.


Don’t rush with reply, take your time.
Love.
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