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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:40 pm

Hi Gonçalo,

Lovely to meet you.
We can chat.
Tell me what are you looking for.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:24 pm

Hello Ilona! :)

Thanks so much for responding and offering help.

My goal is to understand (from an intellectual perspective) and to believe (and see) the nature of reality. That is, that there is no separation in existence and that all apparent separation is caused by illusion, the labeling and thought processes done by our mind.
So, i want to see reality as it is, and if understanding philosophically/intellectually how things are doesn't make me see it (experience it), at least i'm sure it will at least facilitate it, and assist much in the process of seeing it through meditation. (I'm doing meditation too).

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:49 pm

Roger sends you greetings, by the way. :)

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:51 pm

Great, thank you for the answer.
Can you tell me, what is separate and from what exactly? What informs you about separateness? Where is the sense of separateness? Is it sepatrate from life happening?
How do you see separateness?
Write as much as you can from your experience.

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Thanks for greetings, please send my love to roger.
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:33 pm

It seems to my perception that everything is separated because i'm just here experiencing this, and even when i'm surrounded by much stuff happening, i kind of feel closed in myself.
Thoughts of separate things come to my mind constantly also, like myself, another person, an object, etc. but i'm not able to perceive how everything, in a certain way, is a single infinite Ocean of consciousness. (But i know this is the truth, i know this is how things really are. In part due to the descriptions of some people and in part due to the explanations i've read).
So, i imagine it is possible to identify with everything, instead of just with my mind and body. To be not just 'me' but everything.

And things really seem separated... I am not another person, i am not an object, i'm am not any other entity, and i don't know what it is to be like another entity (just imagine, sometimes). An object is not another object, a person is not another person, etc. Everything seems separated from everything.

I think that what informs me about separateness are the different qualities of things. Like, their position in space and time, and their various attributes (physical or non-physical).

The sense of separateness is just in my mind... It seems to be a belief that i am this, and not that. But then, it is natural to see things that way, since there is so much variety in existence, since i can control and feel my body and not other things, and since we can isolate in our minds individual entities (though i guess they can't exist without their environment, completely isolated).

Separateness in my case is present in every aspect of my life and experience. Everywhere i look, everything i perceive, is mixed with concepts and ideas of individual entities. So in my case, the idea of separateness is not separated from life and experience.

I see separateness as part of truth and reality... but on the other hand i want to believe and see it is not, that it is an illusion. In a certain level i believe it is just illusion, but this is not yet very clear and strongly established in my mind.
I think separateness is the labeling of entities. If i didn't look at something and thought of it as an isolated concept separated from everything, perhaps i would just see everything as it is, and perhaps i wouldn't identify just with 'myself'.

Again, thanks so much for guiding me and helping me. I'll try to do my best to use your help and this opportunity, and not to waste this chance.
-Gonçalo
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm

Thank you for reply.
Watch this video and see form this angle.
https://youtu.be/LXrfQqvwIcU
What is separate from life itself?

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:19 pm

I've just watched the video. The analogy is very familiar to me and you were not the first person i heard describing it.

I confess that unlike what happens with other videos of the same kind that i've watched, this one really connected with me. At the time that you asked to notice the beingness in myself, it was as if my perception of things changed and everything stopped for a moment (if this is the right way to describe). I don't think i really deeply rested just in beingness, but perhaps it was close to that.

Life is in everything everywhere, yes. Nothing exists separate from it, at least nothing that i can imagine.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:59 pm

Sweet.
Let’s go further.
Here is another video for you. https://youtu.be/vVfvRetanr0

What do you notice in your experience?

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:25 pm

Beautiful video. :)

I think that when you asked 'is there an i?' there was a moment of silence indeed, followed by mind chatter and trying to understand/conceptualize/explain.

I feel good when that happens, when that 'silence' is noticed, both during meditation and these last times. But i don't think it is that deep. I don't think it make me see what i want to see.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:26 pm

What do you want to see?
What are you looking for?
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:36 pm

I'm not even sure how to describe it...
I have ideas about what it is, i don't even know how accurate they are.
Perhaps the best way to put it would be -bliss, satisfaction, transcendence, truth, liberty, awakening, perhaps love...
I know it's right here inside me, as you describe, but i didn't manage to see it. It's difficult to look at or find something that is the same thing which is trying to look/find.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:41 pm

As long as you are looking for something, for a particular shape and form aof experience, you can not see what is.
So rather than looking for bliss love or whatever nice feelings you like, look at what is present. You are aware right now and you can feel the energy that is present. So look AT that without trying to look FOR something else.

It shows up as it is, meet it as it is. Don’t run, deny, o thing that it’s not enough. Take it. Respect it. Dive into it.
This may help https://youtu.be/ab4XA685rxc

This sense of being, here now, in the intensity and flavour that is it. Is there anything separate here? Is life happening to a separate entity? Is there an entity being or just being (verb)?

Write what feels true.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:56 pm

This last night i had, in my dream, a repeating experience of emptying my mind and just finding my core. At one point i felt an extreme beautiful feeling almost piercing through...
But now, after seeing this last video, i see this is a wrong approach.

As indicated, i just stopped for a bit and noticed all things around me, the sensations, the video, etc. i think that if i don't think about stuff, everything just seems to be happening, not to 'me' but just happening. Just a sensation of stillness and presence arises...

However there is still no shift in my perception/understanding/perspective of things.

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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Ilona » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:09 pm

What do you expect that should happen?
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Re: Realizing Truth

Postby Nicodemus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:13 pm

I don't know, something different or meaningful at least.


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