Yes, all identification is false (including the identification with/as "no-self"). But this understanding needs to be more than just a mental/conceptual understanding. Otherwise we are just trading identifications.It's not about trading or switching beliefs and identification, it's about not having any. It's about looking and seeing that you don't exist at all. All identification is false.
I'm sorry, but "shaming" anything is not something I am prepared to do. I consciously choose to embrace everything. Including any identifications and any perceived mistakes or shortcomings. It is much easier to let go of something that I choose to love and embrace and am okay with, then it is to let go of something I am feeling guilty over (the whole "don't think of an elephant" thing). I'm actually a bit stunned that you would suggest "shaming" anything. Other than in some of the fundamentalist religions I have never heard of any "path" advocating shaming.Yes, keep looking until you see it. There is nothing anywhere that you can say is "you".It's really that simple eh? ;) Just don't let the thoughts/beliefs come back? Name and *shame* any identification?
???? "Just don't let the thoughts/beliefs come back" ..... um... that isn't trying to "stop thoughts?"What you say is true enough, but this isn't about changing habits or stopping thoughts.
Yes I understand. And that's already happening here. But we can't choose not to believe a thought. It either happens or it doesn't right? If we *can* choose not to believe a thought, please tell me who is doing that choosing.It's about not believing every thought that arises.
All the beliefs/habits/conditioning/stories I can see myself holding on to I can consciously release. The beliefs I *can't* see I can't release. How can you release something you aren't aware of holding on to? The name of the game is increasing the awareness of our beliefs/habits/conditioning/stories so that we can let go of them.Mental habits can be worked through later, but it's more likely that they will fall away when the core belief in a self is annihilated. And I don't mean the self is annihilated (there isn't one), but the belief is annihilated. Habits will continue, thoughts will continue, trauma will continue, beliefs will continue, but you see them for what they are, the momentum of characteristics, conditioning, stories. Suffering is caused by believing what you think. Suffering is caused by believing the contents of thoughts.
Uh, yeah.... that's what I said. ;DSeeing there is no self isn't an experience.Any *experience* of "no-self" will never "stick" simply because it is an experience. Experiences don't last.
Yes.This has nothing to do with states, bliss, universal consciousness or anything like that. It's about looking at life and seeing that there isn't a you at the centre that it is happening to. It's not an experience. And it's not about seeing that you are life and everything. Underneath the body and the mind lies nothing. There's nothing there. No identity of any kind. Can you look in your own direct experience and confirm this?
As soon as you stop looking (for more identifications because you have "removed them all") you have lost. Game over. This is why I said at the very beginning, that labeling oneself as "liberated" creates a very comforting "landing spot" and that I am not interested in that whatsoever. My only desire is to keep going and going and going to no end. There is no end to the deepening.If you remove ALL identification you won't need to worry about this.It seems that there will always be (ever subtler and subtler) identifications that continue to need to be looked at
You too buddy :)Take it easy.