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Re: introduction

Postby Eloratea » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:53 pm

Thank you for your reply :)
the body goes about doing, the mind goes about thinking esperiencing the moment just happens. no doeing or making choice? just happens in experience. in subtle ways focusing is directed by experience or it seems to. gaps are created between story of passed, future and then focusing in the now just happens
Is there any agent behind this focusing? Anyone/anything separate from this experiencing?
What is happening right now? Who/what is talking with who/what?
:)

With Love,
El&cosmiK

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Re: introduction

Postby fandres » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:17 am

HEllo Cosmik
Is there any agent behind this focusing? Anyone/anything separate from this experiencing?
What is happening right now? Who/what is talking with who/what?
:)
What is happening is thought talking to eachother, part of experience
thats all

love to you

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Re: introduction

Postby cosmiK » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:41 am

Fernando,

Very clear.

Is there anything missing in this moment?

Is there a "You" in any way, in any form?

is there separation anywhere?


with Love.

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Re: introduction

Postby fandres » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:25 am

Hi Cosmik
Very clear.

Is there anything missing in this moment?

Is there a "You" in any way, in any form?

is there separation anywhere?
yes complete!!
no me!! just this moment
seperation is created when thoughts appear

love to you

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Re: introduction

Postby Eloratea » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:31 am

Hi Fernando,
if there are no doubts anymore, please take some time to answer also those final questions:
  • Was there ever 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

    Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

    How does it feel to see this?

    What was the last bit that made you see through the illusion of separate self?
Thank you,
with best wishes.

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Re: introduction

Postby fandres » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:31 pm

Hello ELoratea

Thank yo for your continuous patience and guidance
if there are no doubts anymore, please take some time to answer also those final questions:
  • Was there ever 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

    Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

    How does it feel to see this?

    What was the last bit that made you see through the illusion of separate self?
No me ever only The illusion created by conditioning from birth .
the illusion was strong and made the "i" look for excistence
It started at birth . Parents named the identity Fernando and also the other identity Rafael the twins.
Rafael the brother arrived first then Fernando and through conditioning there was 2 identities which complimented each other . it was not only an "I" but also a "we" tog. ether lots of attention from the outside world which made the identity stronger. Both wanting to be "I" and also "we" a the same time
fernando started serchingfor seperatenes uniqueness. Married become father, musician etc etc.
allways sepeating from the twin idea and becoming more identified wih fernando.
NOW it feels lighter emotional, physical and mentaly no attachment to ideas or believes
there has been no last bit or beginning that i can talk about just feelings are experienced much deeper in a sence that the "I" is not the driver, creator ,controller of beingness or journey whatever you may call it
I get feelings of being in the moment eternal

love






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Re: introduction

Postby cosmiK » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:41 pm

Hi Fernando,

Thanks. We will put up your responses for review by other guides and let you know if there are clarification questions. If not, you will be confirmed. Then you will be able to access our post-gate groups for chat/inquiry/discussion/play and have the option to guide others as well,

much Love.

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Re: introduction

Postby cosmiK » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:15 am

Hi Fernando,

a few guides wanted to ask some additional experiential questions:


1) When you say "I", what are you referring to?


2) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?
Actually look. Does experience belong to the body, or does the body belong to experience?


3 ) What did you experience at the moment you awoke?


4) Describe your experience in the hours and days following awakening.



with Love.

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Re: introduction

Postby fandres » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:54 pm

Hello Cosmik


1) When you say "I", what are you referring to?
Nothing to refer to. thoughts, emotions,words all happen.
so when you say "i" its just part of the experience
the "I" refers itself to everything making it mIne, yours etc. no attachment to that is necessary.
2) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?
Experience is experiencing itself. the experiencer is part of the illusion. can never be found.
Actually look. Does experience belong to the body, or does the body belong to experience?
Experience does not belong or acquire anything. and body is within experience does not belong to it.
3 ) What did you experience at the moment you awoke?
liberation from identifying to thoughts. it did not feel like there was a moment of awakening as such.
realizing the process of gaps created between being in the moment and then being carried by thought.
4) Describe your experience in the hours and days following awakening.[/b]
Everything is as it is.nothing else needed no expectations no desires just happening , no judging even the self. just being in the moment silently looking , walking, breathing just let everything be at that moment . emotions arise just after thoughts or just passing by, nothing is permanent just forever changing.
Heart is opening (:


lots of love and thank you all the assistance being offered from all the guides

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Re: introduction

Postby cosmiK » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:18 am

Hi Fernando,

you are good to go, all confirmed :)

I will send you a private message with Facebook details.

much Love.


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