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by xyzzy
Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:31 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

It seems that you are expecting something to happen. You are waiting for 'certainty'. Who is waiting? What is 'certainty'? Are you waiting for a specific feeling to happen, so that you can finally say, "Yes... I feel sure... now I am Awake."? I don't know anything about being Awake. As for your oth...
by xyzzy
Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:08 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Please go back and re-read the past 8 posts and look carefully at this idea of a 'self'. Is there an 'individual' anywhere except in thought? And do any thoughts about an individual correlate with direct experiential evidence? There doesn't seem to be an individual anywhere except in thought, and s...
by xyzzy
Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:17 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

The "I" is a THOUGHT! You believe it to be some 'self' and some-thing. Can an "I" believe? want? have? get what it wants? READ WHAT YOU WROTE! LETS TRY THAT AGAIN...... FROM A DIFFERENT APPROACH that you can TEST RIGHT NOW....... LOOK AT YOUR THOUGHTS MY FRIEND...... LOOK AND SEE..... Can a THOUGHT...
by xyzzy
Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:52 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Let's not worry about what you are. "Behind the gate" there are a number of forums in which that sort of stuff is discussed. Let's concentrate on what you are not for now. Let's look at this "self that doesn't really matter". Do you see now that it is just a thought? Do you see that never has been ...
by xyzzy
Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:24 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Hey xyzzy, I'll be stepping in to add a little assistance. It seems like you've done a lot of work, and you've probably even seen what you need to do see, but there seems to be some confusion here. In simple words, tell me, what is the problem here. If you had to describe the simple issue here in a...
by xyzzy
Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:21 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

My experience doesn't say that I doesn't exist, it just says it doesn't exist as part of this experience. What's your point? What EXCEPT FOR THOUGHT says that an "I" exists? And even if there was an "I" outside of direct experience what relevance could it possibly have? If it's not in direct experi...
by xyzzy
Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:22 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Well, they have an effect on most aspects of this experience, as beliefs affect thoughts, actions, and emotions. So they would seem to affect me. What is this "me" that you're talking about? And in what way do thoughts, actions and emotions affect it? Please answer in detail, and ensure that your a...
by xyzzy
Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:27 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Yes, quite correct. That's MUCH clearer. So there are beliefs that show up 'here', but they are not your beliefs because, as you've said, you're not the thinker of thoughts or believer of beliefs. And, just like thoughts, you have no control over them. So if these beliefs are not your beliefs, do t...
by xyzzy
Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:22 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Please answer them after reading my post again. I asked the questions because you said a lot of things that CONTRADICTED your statement not being the thinker of thoughts. For example you said that you make decisions, and you believe things - AFTER saying that you are not the thinker of thoughts or ...
by xyzzy
Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:02 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Empty Mirror, I don't understand your last message. Recently in this conversation, I said that there is no me within direct experience, but that this doesn't necessarily mean there is no me anywhere, as there could be a me elsewhere. You said that there is no elsewhere. I said that I didn't have any...
by xyzzy
Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:25 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Ok, you've asked a lot of questions, which are think are mostly summarized in the following: It is thoughts telling me that there is or could be an elsewhere, though. But direct experience doesn't say there isn't (or is) an elsewhere, it concerns itself entirely with here. Precisely. And are you the...
by xyzzy
Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:07 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

If there are no others, this doesn't change the definition of I. I is still the center of this experience, and some thing which has an experience and which has beliefs and so on. Of course it does. Think about what you're saying. Did you notice that in my question I specifically said "without thoug...
by xyzzy
Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:26 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

So, now I ask you again, if you see that you are not the thinker of thoughts, and you see that thought divides and separates everything, and you see that without believing thought stories it's clear that there are no others having any experience anywhere, then where does any "I" fit in. If there ar...
by xyzzy
Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:11 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Ok, so again, the only thing that tells you that there is something outside of direct experience is thoughts, which can not be confirmed by direct experience, and which you have discovered you are not the thinker of. Yes. But I'm not sure if that leads to anything. Without thoughts there is no unde...
by xyzzy
Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:53 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20217

Re: Is it possible to see this?

You will notice that everything you said above was NOT based on direct experience. It was all thought based. Sure it SEEMS like there must be a thinker of thoughts because thoughts are structured. But were they ALWAYS structured, or have they built themselves a structure over time? In your earliest...

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