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by xyzzy
Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:16 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20418

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Consider this; Where is the 'dividing line' between the hearer and the heard ? Where does one stop and the other start ? In one way, both I and the sound seem to exist within a 3 dimensional space, with me located inside my head and the sound coming from some distance away. In another way, the soun...
by xyzzy
Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:37 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20418

Re: Is it possible to see this?

thoughts are different from, for example, sounds, because thoughts feel like they are part of me, while sounds don't. Good, let's hone in a bit more. (experientially) Find a bell (a cup will do or a brass bowl is excellent) and tap it with a spoon. Listen with eyes closed. Look for the origin of th...
by xyzzy
Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:08 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20418

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Thoughts feel like they're mine. You say "feel" like they're yours. Is there a sensation that you feel, or is it thoughts that claim ownership ? (after they occur) It's difficult for me to look at thoughts, because looking at them changes them. They slow down and stop when I try to look at them. I'...
by xyzzy
Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:36 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20418

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Tell, in your Now experiencing, where do thoughts come from ?
Thoughts happen, they don't seem to be coming from anywhere. It seems that I am experiencing thoughts. I don't believe that I am controlling my thoughts. Thoughts feel like they're mine.
by xyzzy
Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:34 pm
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20418

Re: Is it possible to see this?

Hello Edward, vince here. Tell me how you will know that you are enlightened ? What will have more credibility than intellectual understanding ? I don't know about "enlightened", but this board is based on the idea of liberation, which would presumably have some sort of impact on one's life. So I w...
by xyzzy
Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:03 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Is it possible to see this?
Replies: 252
Views: 20418

Is it possible to see this?

I believe that there is no self, and I am quite convinced intellectually that there is no self, but this hasn't changed the way I feel in any way. Is there some seeing which is different from intellectual understanding? By the way, I participated in another thread in the one on one forum a month or ...
by xyzzy
Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:15 am
Forum: THE GATE
Topic: Probably I should be removed from the Liberated group
Replies: 2
Views: 727

Probably I should be removed from the Liberated group

At the time I was declared to be liberated a month or so ago, I definitely was not. I later realized that I had merely agreed with the idea that there is no self, and understood it intellectually, but that I had not seen it. At this point I don't know, though, whether I've seen that there is no self...
by xyzzy
Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:07 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

Edward, tell me What was the last bit that tipped you over, that triggered the 'seeing' ? Short answer: I don't remember. Long answer: This is something I'd heard of before but decided I didn't know the answer to it. I had considered that there was probably no such thing as free will, as I'd observ...
by xyzzy
Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:11 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

Do you exist? No. There is this experience, and (probably) a body and thoughts and such, but there isn't anything separate which has all of these things. The body and thoughts are part of this experience, and not something separate from it either. Is there and was there ever separate self in real l...
by xyzzy
Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:17 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

How that manifests? In everyday life and social interactions? Is there still belief that there is someone playing the role of Edward? I'm having a lot of trouble answering these questions. I don't know what it would mean to experience everyday life and social interactions as if there was a me or as...
by xyzzy
Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:55 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

Your experience sounds like: when you look, there is no you. But when you don't look, it is as if there is you. Is it so? Yes, I think so. I didn't mean that you avoid word I. But to look more deeply into what is going on and describe it as clearly as possible; so it is easier to see where you are ...
by xyzzy
Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:55 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

Could you say more about this? As there is no you separate from experience, if you is just a thought appearing in experience, how this looking/expecting works? There is looking to see if anything will change in this experience. It's a habit of language to use the word I when describing actions, and...
by xyzzy
Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

Where would you like to go? I'm not sure. I see that there is no "me", no separate self. Seeing that is the point of the one on one discussions in this forum. However, it seems that there's an expectation that some sort of changes would happen in the life of someone who has seen this, and no such c...
by xyzzy
Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:39 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

But, without imagined center, poor little “me” to which things happen, there is more spaciousness in every experience. Isn't it? I'm not sure what spaciousness is. There is a feeling of being which is there sometimes, but I wouldn't describe it as "spaciousness". It used to be there a lot more ofte...
by xyzzy
Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:53 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?
Replies: 78
Views: 4188

Re: Anything more than intellectual understanding of this?

ok, share how it works. I'm not exactly sure. Life goes on, there aren't thoughts about things not being ok or wanting things I don't have. Various things are unpleasant (like, I'm nervous about a dentist appointment tomorrow), but overall, life is neutral. I have a question for you. Why is it that...

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